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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:280828 Archived-At: Elis Hirwing writes: > Think pastebin-like services (not actually supporting pastebincom > though). Yes they are in general SaaSS since the purpose of the mode is > to "share parts of or whole buffers" by uploading it somewhere and get > a link that can be shared. Why are they SaaSS? The definition I would use is: Service as a Software Substitute (SaaSS) means using a service as a substitute for running your copy of a program. Concretely, it means that someone sets up a network server that does certain computing activities =E2=80=94 for instance, modifying a photo, translating text = into another language, etc. =E2=80=94 then invites users to let that server = do their own computing for them. As a user of the server, you would send your data to the server, which does that computing activity on the data thus provided, then sends the results back to you or else acts directly on your behalf. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html In particular, note that later on that page, it says: The original idea of web servers wasn't to do computing for you, it was to publish information for you to access. Even today this is what most web sites do, and it doesn't pose the SaaSS problem, because accessing someone's published information isn't doing your own computing. Neither is use of a blog site to publish your own works, or using a microblogging service such as Twitter or StatusNet.