From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: [External] : Re: [PATCH] Package Installation in Tutorial Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 11:24:53 -0800 Message-ID: References: <864k7ro07p.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14573"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Drew Adams , Daniel Fleischer , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 03 20:27:23 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mtEDK-0003aY-G1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 20:27:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42386 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtEDI-0004Id-L2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 14:27:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41620) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtEAz-0002hG-Cf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 14:24:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [2607:f8b0:4864:20::102a] (port=56298 helo=mail-pj1-x102a.google.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtEAx-00011a-NE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 14:24:57 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-x102a.google.com with SMTP id v23so3053712pjr.5 for ; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 11:24:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=05u+YJvW/V8SKDaKM+r3w7PSJoyt/02VyWKRfa0t1L4=; b=S8N8SeetdoUA2yWZCDOegOWK17CAVW+fsqr1miyfOp7nJaLFpQXAMsPMWqorUBVZlR TY8uvUIuKBkWTABP6DnFV3RgzuPU8fy2jlqDTHMPvZ/dzc5WE3Y9xrTOX6t2G9Oy2dUk wdnEeT6l116zRu+AAF7ONIWLvQ/ijxXPgKcMEFUGBTolqBBXWElkIcx9LpXvYr5qCi56 /i8RVLl4pkOXLI9y0DoS37vgF6sV1zeHnI9ehUKMfzxpB0ZaWx+WuoriPRzkM9jIIrLr dj4BtWDH7qdEAzSKPnD1R/7AdBc9mS7drRY9g5R3uzj9UjEcg25ZeoPZgqpfhbZoRV38 X67w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=05u+YJvW/V8SKDaKM+r3w7PSJoyt/02VyWKRfa0t1L4=; b=XLPZYTTa2H3EYRq36xzU33z+VUcLqTGa0/8CV9j81RN83IxdwP/btKdQraI7JcJ++I p8q67XWqUFD7z1I+rpkbDsYuDTqVQLWzYAsqObz/itTaikYaWrYYO8ac+hx6ZXZ9BwJ9 Lc/vdCp02qEy1k39odPozoVEGpmzBlpyHskkOcKPTbVm4uR1FKFmtH5AofTivE9NKgRv ORvUCjTbkESQ+SYmGb+odMhRnZcgYbmY7dv3ajWYmK1dpJYtG0hTFn26uKP+d0VZLKQQ 8PSYGjc/g0YryvDUy/0tu9VUQ7qOMloZWYMqFs7rhtAE+oXRHOIK6BbwITAPNN9UPnfV VIcA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5310wJKJFP1yYLqZCA5U9i6IL6BG0iUm1WC0YS9zlq/m/gzMWaPr EbnJGU8VCFdIce6W6yYHtGBuTYVMHV2pKFPbVzQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyFpIpqA9V6ay44sfLGc0vyxpqY4+Dv1abbSbzLBTDr77KQEp/u0DaJxBkpRBcSs6jOD0c/m2tAxNhAFTVbWkw= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:1e0e:: with SMTP id pg14mr16082735pjb.143.1638559494153; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 11:24:54 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 3 Dec 2021 11:24:53 -0800 In-Reply-To: X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2607:f8b0:4864:20::102a (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::102a; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-x102a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -12 X-Spam_score: -1.3 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, PDS_HP_HELO_NORDNS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:280864 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > I'd suggest that teaching basic customization > should be more useful/important than teaching > how to install an external package. That sounds like another fine addition to make. Maybe someone could write up 15-20 lines or so about how to use `M-x customize'? > Fine. So your argument is that _first timers_ > don't know how to install packages and they're > dying to know that. They need that, from the > get-go. Correct.