From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Include leaf in Emacs distribution Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 18:41:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87a6wrm5m0.fsf@gmail.com> <87blh6cfmz.fsf@gmail.com> <20201023.113723.2024617143609727683.conao3@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17819"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: johnw@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Naoya Yamashita , caiohcs0@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 23 20:47:48 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kW26L-0004XX-W2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 20:47:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48242 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kW26L-0004m6-05 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 14:47:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51562) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kW20I-00073c-EA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 14:41:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ej1-x636.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::636]:39252) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kW20D-0002Cy-9P; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 14:41:30 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ej1-x636.google.com with SMTP id qh17so3706111ejb.6; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 11:41:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=GRzacax4M8+1NUKJ8/y8VcM1Kk/ydzSAGwOSSdYzh4A=; b=cwmnO5iiKizWBCCP+EdVhxTWLCmXqjBPWIbgI7w4Z/kTGeBJVIGw8nR94Qb6WiXK8d 2BfPRQ4wqO00IXiOmmZhloF2jFyTUrVdFk4+OPuE6SVwqqQlSgoa48xZN0BfbMji1wsN 5NxmWiiPutS64SkcsUDB/QwoGYMftKrPDHALn3cNgptSUs5k8brWq0WumpGeAu3P3U03 Z1M3GzmEWMFEU/MRCiG2gWaB5ZSpCMGEfCmgtL8Q4FlW4U/mR9K0LpGeX7G12lJtaL9a ihkybj890qdMMCEcGAbeMC/N+bZUkPuX2MI7vAMijPCQ2QgBC8vbSeoyIaHjvepqgRJU jfjw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GRzacax4M8+1NUKJ8/y8VcM1Kk/ydzSAGwOSSdYzh4A=; b=dftiFrH2zGIjKqmLT3U/7mZVDgx9wCNrhg4QqWYZwfMEpc6qWVY+48wHmiBzHrpOXi PoN87jV+MmrSE0DfErW7h3BzzIQuPxpW/HSEFVF+CYSHrsEb1v+3lXTM8TPefBwJQqRC kzCXLj64r41bcSAGSxWHUNQJg2DwkiWMAACL28gxCMpRijeal8L3WlZZr0rbQ2i1MKi5 CdrLo8Is56iyH9CRQHA3TwUKE3M/vncGXZKQH5rmgUKZQUglR5LAoGw9suiO5/LM45lZ NPCsOY49OC03CKOX7vT0rOgZYPi0pR/FhB3ZzYYdVWYzTMgnU6WAwvgpgNjgDpW8f0a3 qPMw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533z3mkpchjjgOitkGUWFTuJOFEbDWcuFMI/XbMuz1bMOCqBSdPr F3prq3Q95is4ZXmRNzZUM+s4JOXZusGcqc5nbsA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxJ7AAZDNQGD43iqGnJxay3CM385dscqvPODQGpHo+kjv2QMBph7nhLe9ss52odGxRXjQTtC/YtOpdBP9XL7y0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:3e4b:: with SMTP id t11mr3240711eji.420.1603478482787; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 11:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 18:41:21 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20201023.113723.2024617143609727683.conao3@gmail.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::636; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x636.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258387 Archived-At: Naoya Yamashita writes: > Are there any other points of discussion? Thanks for summarizing the discussion. There is a plan in motion to distribute use-package with Emacs 28.1. IOW, it seems emacs-devel is mostly convinced that it brings useful features. The leaf package, here proposed for inclusion, is superficially very similar to use-package. I have therefore asked some questions regarding the difference between `use-package' and `leaf': > Do you see any other major benefits of leaf over use-package? Or the > other way around? > > Could you explain why I would want to use one or the other (as a user)? > > Could you explain why Emacs would want to include one or the other (as > developers)? As far as I can tell, the above hasn't been clarified. Or perhaps I've missed it. Could you provide an answer to the above, even if only briefly?