From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Delete variables obsolete since Emacs 23 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 22:28:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20200515175844.18941.61355@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20200515175845.997EC20999@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20083fc0-59ca-444b-b18d-69e2f79d8c57@default> <87sgcknqz0.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19789"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 24 04:30:04 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kA2FI-00054E-9E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 04:30:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35730 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kA2FH-00033v-CR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 22:30:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41952) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kA2E1-0001ve-9v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 22:28:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a]:32973) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kA2Dz-0004Dj-Pc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 22:28:44 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com with SMTP id p191so4354625ybg.0 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:28:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=FF8HbmuXwSNXQ+g0pFnDj1u2cMDm5VDQnX61gGFG9Rk=; b=aT39Nfkk87YCRsznJFmQup1IW3ON6Nfsgs7SvXI2KMPDfsv4e1k47Czd5letn0IwdB oCEaDEUI2QL9pEJU9qlH8RW6gwEmDIujesHiD03pHyiNrWvkLJAxahbkEjXA19/5iVAL genstIbp/JnnVlaQBlV0gYh93pRwhakbpMujqkVMSDNzd2UuoOThG99O8RybYIPsfRyt xkLJoq9xZShwerZ9KGsilpBkOiF5kZKcMmN7Kpx6Mg3w+myzOjwVcciRgAF7l9uqqSJ6 LDsLkegK3gNQRQOmhidkET+gUzO2s2AgOyIUGgVSMW0KeV0OsAKlaFwRorRVllGEWlav ZpWA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=FF8HbmuXwSNXQ+g0pFnDj1u2cMDm5VDQnX61gGFG9Rk=; b=HDCvyNdnEJxxu2ZJLjh7eY8NZ0PB24mb3ImHdV0X539D45kOSirkugEpEtAAQ0dRp3 tKzUa66SOl1mXTT01UAzg6Zyx8b48HJFVs34F/Uaje3r2YvnaCpqmBACoxVl9Km2NX+N 7os/v3SE43pvumdsI0+e0PlUTyLFcqT7nb4P0lrasyBXT3R2HS3QGxUUXRnfuvIy//Sm 7upphRpYCDd1ey4bDuHerpruhGibi3GVPu0iw2XKriEFavtbv9Zs4jUVMKT9p4EAqIeV jOQUS9qw/rTqoRD6YqRWNRfWnSUY8IWr7ssteRnE0SHVgFfcq4IPB8WROLCNux30C42q lj1A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532Y2sIa6/gHIgYYsq547NZqIGM7GiqlOnPte7DdfV3VMVYoOXA4 WNZRePfzeS/1LAFe8ubvJoT5NUriq6Lq7s/iLUE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzzcvHUs/MbYURkD1cMSIy0a7PyFie26uPWLUowxaRhhjPnyWTkWIQqGoxiiid1wC1dtQ6pEcsK3VMzZAv760s= X-Received: by 2002:a25:7007:: with SMTP id l7mr4634768ybc.85.1598236122705; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 22:28:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87sgcknqz0.fsf@gnus.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb2a.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254170 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > But thinking about this a bit more, I agree with Drew here -- Given the controversy here, I don't feel comfortable deleting interactive-p. So I left that part of my patch out and pushed the rest as commit 326fdb9ec0. The next step here is the obsoletions in semantic. > interactive-p is used too much in the wild for us to ever delete it. It > should stay marked as obsolete, but with a comment saying "never delete" > or something, because removing it will break too much code out there. FWIW, I also think there's merit to the argument advanced by Drew and Lars in the case of interactive-p. (But my preference would be to say: "Delete after year or version N".) Best regards, Stefan Kangas