From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 13:49:54 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87k0fit5eo.fsf@polaris64.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28268"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Simon Pugnet , Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 02 19:52:23 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n45xu-00078h-PW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 19:52:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59282 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n45xt-00017I-Hx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 13:52:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56972) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n45va-0007Qo-4m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 13:49:58 -0500 Original-Received: from [2607:f8b0:4864:20::42f] (port=47039 helo=mail-pf1-x42f.google.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n45vY-0003XJ-Kd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 13:49:57 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id t123so27716398pfc.13 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 10:49:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=lXZp7GvjczOYlLET/3o3OGn25lytuWYKr/88QyPSxvA=; b=kIkXIP0Axa0t9sknR+MOAkxF03eFcZgyFmoi5Lo8LAxvQIWqQt8efdDFMhPMOCh4vR Yy4Oozf4bl9PK6bmyckAtqHutcK7ebNcu3lgrBTbbuXUIy7dJHeX/iy108JLlI1r9YVb AmpXTvuWG+JuQc0EcZaUHboqU1cB3YabmUVt3dvGUw3l3775etWgMwDK1vO4+s7+Gzlk wwMfBnJOwCnW/cUUZBKjidsvZF8hYwNSs797Y0KatI2UxxlcZ+i/F1kOpdhGl6VWU6fz gZjB+0P5+Ldkbsvo6acRYI8lwSSxXuVvjs3il9qQ6yI0MCUxhLDv1qgOKqRMSn8RtmXI pC7g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=lXZp7GvjczOYlLET/3o3OGn25lytuWYKr/88QyPSxvA=; b=itSeDYxEaJYbtJSK79+btLC1rlQVhnQrPX1lATRKukDcAkuTIdYj6luxti1b6ZPgQf rrheEEayTZeStLpqyKMd2ra6AmrreQ9zJTupy4+ZNb7xGShMeU+MAlHnpvH19gWvRq0r Oh2qY/2K5qU1BsEF95HDiVaiGchZGaF5XTpX+pTzYtHOLGtwD+S2IHoUdFVJccedhNeO e5AVXJ6YKrcU3ZM/FSw0hQJwYTAI1rdjAFbTRPSL1Ob5Wp7C2xj/HtK0BHK8guSFTvtZ KrCaDw28A2MSRIn/F+v34YwlYjpNb/Z9H06Xfn3DnAFWeiq6o0B84jztJsHSwxyR0Kkt HOXA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531YY8oP24mU0B0PRt/J2m/5mFdjqUvh5u6a/COHJvwTx4WnEu8k m3GgG0CBS5wiE8btDxM9PMXZ6Pbbbj07r3HzZIw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzMa6ReT5mL4hwU9ICGTdnPsps0dZJE4GHJsxD8lkuqOv02KnRw0Q1fcMjeJ54iu2C2US970TbrCqHXdGchBvo= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:9a0a:0:b0:4bc:79bb:dcd0 with SMTP id w10-20020aa79a0a000000b004bc79bbdcd0mr8745088pfj.70.1641149395205; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 10:49:55 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 2 Jan 2022 13:49:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87k0fit5eo.fsf@polaris64.net> X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2607:f8b0:4864:20::42f (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::42f; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-x42f.google.com X-Spam_score_int: 6 X-Spam_score: 0.6 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.6 / 5.0 requ) DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283952 Archived-At: Simon Pugnet writes: > If the wizard could provide a common interface (e.g. a "wizard-builder") > that's easy to use and is presented using the same interface as the main > wizard then I think that could be a very nice way of helping newcomers > to certain packages. We have discussed this in the past, and I can only very much agree. > For example, as well as giving configuration instructions in the > package's README, the package author could include their own wizard and > say something like "For interactive configuration, just evaluate > (invoke-wizard 'some-package) after loading the package." Or you could run the wizard if you detect that the package has not already been configured. I guess this would be up to the package developer to decide what will work best for their package. > One could argue that this is pretty close to just launching > customize-group for the package and limiting the options to only the > most important. However Yuan's wizard provides a more newcomer-friendly > and interactive interface (e.g. changing the theme immediately once it > is selected) so I think it is worthwhile keeping the wizard UI and > customize UI separate in this case. Right. The problem with customize-group is that it can easily be overwhelming, as it shows all options with their full documentation, instead of just asking a small set of highly specific questions like "what's the address of your mail server".