From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 17:56:49 -0500 Message-ID: References: <838s7hxqkr.fsf@gnu.org> <3ec7e2e58a0cce3eda09@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35533"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 08 00:58:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lUH7i-00098s-ME for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 00:58:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58528 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUH7h-0007g3-O5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 18:58:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33912) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUH6V-0005qO-Ef for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 18:56:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-f45.google.com ([209.85.216.45]:36847) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUH6R-0007v0-A5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 18:56:55 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-f45.google.com with SMTP id f2-20020a17090a4a82b02900c67bf8dc69so2106035pjh.1 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 15:56:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=z6RPdG1UG0Arnb05C/ElivRwoHwExjJU/9W9ZJ2FqJ8=; b=k2VUlTQFLW1mRpAZA7plwIK9tiLwrRGvuEaiFCRLmPIVDN+kJmMne4aYqXJa1AAAX0 DsNYFY0UR/ESHiWr/VIiG17V0mZRgTMgD3ZixGE3OrSdC0z1JkROan+Lyw7GoQuwrlje 2o5rfimkaZYfTX+XEnUWodYk8YWJNGen3QYTkp5FFWOFQL5V91eR5LEH/yXinH3KYKGR L/whGszKMMn2QpEdn46l7A5BJmGTUKtdFgSKliOAzpPoNWp2P2sfA8A9658O9/bHOfUe 460LCD6eSbO7lBmEXhWtVenouLHEvXB+nOKlfPydAV1My8synRJc1Q9QqxCnyk760HC/ YQ0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Pp11OPOrCn2KnbXSDuvFmQAwTmSXEkuBwkTFNlmwe71yzmYLX Qz97C4I/veg2Ti0lbbowh4mKSxbflIzkqBy5O6XgXnpE X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy+ReN9dhL/kGCpwleFeBPsuCAkqS5T/1fvXz+9iLt7ylMKCfrQBFMn6EeaO1T8RIHrrpV4acF5Dq3kzbln61g= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:bd09:: with SMTP id y9mr5346606pjr.179.1617836209526; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 15:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 17:56:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3ec7e2e58a0cce3eda09@heytings.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.216.45; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-f45.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267584 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings writes: > A few comments: Thanks for your detailed response. > Your patch breaks search-forward-help-for-help, in which the " *Metahelp*" > buffer name is hardcoded. Yes, I have reverted that part (Eli commented the same thing). > I would add "C-s to search, " after "to scroll,". IMO that command is less useful now that this screen is not a wall of text, so I'd rather avoid that verbosity. > I find the last section name "Language Help" unclear. This is the same name as the section `(emacs) Language Help'. FWIW, I personally find it's clear from context, but if you have an equally short alternative, I'm all ears. (And perhaps we should then also update the Info manual accordingly.) > I would add "(see also M-x list-packages)" after "External packages". This is a good idea, I think. > Why did you put a blank line between where-is and apropos-command? The intention is to divide this into two subgroups.