From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 01:02:35 +0200 Message-ID: References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="46723"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Joseph Garvin , Richard Stallman , Emacs developers , Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams , ndame To: Ahmed Khanzada Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 19 01:03:40 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jPwUu-000C3V-GS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 01:03:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34232 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jPwUt-0000vQ-IR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 19:03:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51828) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jPwUA-0000Ud-JF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 19:02:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jPwU8-0005zy-Hq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 19:02:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-f178.google.com ([209.85.219.178]:43696) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jPwU4-0005w5-Sw; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 19:02:49 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-f178.google.com with SMTP id o198so938892ybg.10; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:02:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Wu/dZzCCZp0KVByf9yrLym4EmQqdLr24/lrlRhiopOY=; b=ZEC70JDLRebqbOfh6gGAA0PJ6S0OTvlRxcLVg5YNuE7dHA0U8J67vOvMembWKtftoY HbIOZq/9oayuh2GU5yuYxPFWNzR2u9S3DIPS4UND+SBfmeD19A0Yc3xiwVva1x20k0j8 VF6hCRjZL85idwfoFAy/R82HiCZJmUOaPtXf1Hd8FoKk4Qx7fMHQaRgZ1lRwqojiz5jJ EcGhvzC6O1s9OZdP1CSrE6BrhBmtCMyLH0aIcnL6UPnPgDF1Apfut1vM584Dg0vjOX5s sz9of5bZgKtx7XPF8ID9mKNh3/Mbn8yEl0u7nUviOfq35oWaozat1kqbx5G7+XSXrGhw fxYw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYz91hv2I/03heZHs7A79MJprE8echRRqpHo46rmJNQFadvmYnZ jNj4a3g71afEMW3fyrl2FTcq39A9t5DBhe5krB8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKsLyP4s0QuMjkTbCf235BjNH7KY3IWpvW9MQOVbwrLxQiamnzGjY7635eGQ5GZLbmXaYfSgRvoY4nA4eFPH+k= X-Received: by 2002:a25:aa69:: with SMTP id s96mr8414625ybi.85.1587250966578; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:02:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.219.178; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-f178.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.219.178 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247251 Archived-At: Ahmed Khanzada writes: > 1. Terminal-based Vim is not like a modern application, yet is more > popular than Emacs. How do you know that Vim is more popular than Emacs? > 3. If Emacs was to become a "modern" app tomorrow, an editor extended > in Lisp still only has appeal for a minority of programmers I think features matters more than extension language to most users. For example, the popularity of Vim is unlikely to be based on the appeal of an editor extended in Vimscript. > 4. Most of the push for a "modern look" comes from the desire for Emacs > to play more nicely with proprietary platforms. Why do you believe that to be the case? Best regards, Stefan Kangas