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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277007 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings writes: > If by "that" you mean "use a more readable syntax for key bindings, > without wrapping each key binding in a call to kbd", then this is not what > we will have, even with Stefan K's patch, with which it will be possible > to use (kbd ...) in preloaded files. To have "that", it would be > necessary to go one step further. Which was the main point of my > proposal. Did you see Richard's reply in this thread? I found it interesting and worth thinking about, especially the part where he says "maybe we should fully adopt a cleaner interface for specifying a key to bind". I think it would be useful if we could come up with some ideas for what something like that could look like. Of course, nothing is a given, but a good enough proposal might convince.