From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding a "quick-help" menu Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 22:51:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87v8pn4968.fsf@posteo.net> <87r10avk92.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28485"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu , Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 17 04:52:48 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oZNwm-0007Fj-68 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 04:52:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55680 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oZNwk-00006i-MK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 22:52:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46234) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oZNvl-0007mX-88 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 22:51:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oo1-xc2a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2a]:41609) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oZNvj-00030u-Lx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 22:51:45 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oo1-xc2a.google.com with SMTP id t15-20020a4a96cf000000b0044e0142ec24so3811731ooi.8 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:51:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=1fijNxr9jhJ380TtSJEIg9f4c78DG9k63j13YL+76jE=; b=dLSI6kuU7xVGb/bDp86zMctSGVtaTJY6thQxcoKRjuKkF37rs4mOOwIQSazoqTmWt4 KUltPP8JuijbeP+nzv8q8XQDkQp2SjZlFGpvHCs/QSNLXIlGb3ZQNtAwU/3QWCIs2sIo tNKMG8xQzA8akv77qQboGlb3d3p+eVS++gYunaiFNmNRgX4EJAhje//ZLJdgRt1leO3t j1BUcflh2DX113ScZYuyavwyDFVlHCRe5pQLE4PCyT3QMoNSf9Pmq81nDVLIIGr8JHS7 nCHSd09mGqmg3uvsUbJ6EGrfqUKd9ndp82y/GSewxHmsImwyUJStkBK0e96wohJHgtuR RWBQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=1fijNxr9jhJ380TtSJEIg9f4c78DG9k63j13YL+76jE=; b=21GlrSDDXBxmeJ91fyZjPXqjo+jzitf6XPJ0Q94bKkQLfhY+i/rKH3193dqFivY5dI uAHTVkFQarn2Jdvx1sTZSxnAWCDsNSHXMBrqW3cfYoZKp6oQBTZeDqChZz5hP5DpR0ZL nRUB6e97DY8l0C8fFlV3Hb3d/UoAZbRvKA9AwKNi34jbdmd4PB1LX/nX6zRyqBLa850f Nx5nToCDG4VEbrQwBrikAN8Ox2AlF4ZGDHJqnUv6bSsxBxM6Ryrns6PiB+3wU8nYQK5D yssP2MC6tOvTN2LdSp7nFmgD9d+b3FRykbE3Gs+0dEz4+kgE2x2e9jshe6gaAnUES/7/ Wbvw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2JVNUBNK3hrD1IcbmNiztBxQOxHu8SOD+hmE4fm7IhxBMzOQuv wPuQQnyEYFC5tTJNcPRwPrsMnWfOww65vqC63Hk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4V3Y8YohqhNtPixig/Cr06pIzpaRg9uAzpAaRkK36k9dD2NjeIMWg00aCBnLwfOUuUfeIWeL3LsejLP4FhKu4= X-Received: by 2002:a4a:b48d:0:b0:475:61d4:73f5 with SMTP id b13-20020a4ab48d000000b0047561d473f5mr3207124ooo.34.1663383102247; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 22:51:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87r10avk92.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Hashcash: 1:20:220917:emacs-devel@gnu.org::KTLBnOm7sY8+9w9O:9iDN Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2a; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-oo1-xc2a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295510 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Why not make it part of the menu bar? FWIW, I don't see how the menu bar could be a replacement. Note also that the menu bar is not very popular among users: 74.3 % of the 7300 users that replied to the Emacs Survey in 2020 disabled it.[1] It'd be interesting to know how many of those that didn't disable it use it more than occasionally, but I don't think that data was collected. Footnotes: [1] https://emacssurvey.org/2020/if-you-use-emacs-gui-do-you-disable-any-of-the-graphical-elements.svg