From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gather a list of confusions beginner tend to have Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 08:07:32 -0700 Message-ID: References: <875z8ortot.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <83ft7rkp9e.fsf@gnu.org> <871rjbrpt9.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39078"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: casouri@gmail.com, praharsharmm@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8gS2F5YWFscA==?= , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 09 17:08:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1hl-000A1W-CT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 17:08:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41212 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1hk-00065W-DQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 11:08:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34692) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1hA-0005HP-Gs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 11:07:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ej1-x632.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::632]:44807) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1h8-0002pi-W8; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 11:07:36 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ej1-x632.google.com with SMTP id r7so4018817ejs.11; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 08:07:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iRCatPsXTZuw582X7BPuLHNYvRjq2aiehvbjQh10sIA=; b=SH9stSJScs5ijvpWuDe3mJKHUb5qd0RaxJy2u079UVxojB8wEETeDhWG10sjnLBd2U CpxbwGX0I2H8JVPX4CnJJSP+eG/oAYyNk3jDw6MAo7UY1mbyfw/d/UJt3/MW1cX6P4vm IbQCFIJy281YRerkyJAKFfOqVr1tHVx7U77m4Cocaf7FrGn+d8jKc6uMa1rRzFFAODKK 9otqBNAUMAndSv8sUA12RtSb8iZqSlQx4whO21LnHsOygM0Y9SONyC4rKVZwddM4afua KpI62Uy+emmUw9tIrByNKt1hAAECb9lMLL+DQJc0SUkd0XkWl2/4J1UyFkyNX4xjEz6d QTgg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iRCatPsXTZuw582X7BPuLHNYvRjq2aiehvbjQh10sIA=; b=rZ/znLBxcTlqbeKaDBV6nI/WVifyiDC5IsQLx9pw72YWytllBjo7QirzmwEtqgRkiH AgUXWslRgQcU2sHUeKH/3MLRmFPDLvyqB9DcvSaU9P7H0gBTe3Cdg2LiMUInPaKaIQWH nO10QbV3qfOgW6qumSPnxgN9r5odR8qof/4SP+WdoptoSvMqnTdEuHshgxbkLl9YK41w ZCmfnbY8T80qwlLTqhUCb8yz1lC+5b+pMIFbFJ5T5BRYnweuEeRUHKY28XtKw8QKuOHR 1N0KQgcx9hUp4gkjjX4QTsap6PcaUjvDQqWkxQeBM5W7OaeHVBQ1zzx8Sh/n97rOliVg NMvA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530YKvmNDfh5hGKsJPyUScaRcWYwPKnzXvTy7idDgPGPwrP2PTqO Xe0/rLzJ0f0xUz4YeBOtc/rimf9xHdSpIvUzhOo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxEMynzggQEfCu5zRQKu5CO+4hrySNNe6T/CzEV+tEV7uON006H2NwCMMq43/hU56P6uQKYyYOJmyOOUaAgqEY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:a201:: with SMTP id r1mr3997605ejy.432.1599664052896; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 08:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 08:07:32 -0700 In-Reply-To: <871rjbrpt9.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::632; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x632.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254880 Archived-At: G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp writes: > It looks like some of the starter kits / distributions are disabling > menu and toolbars. > > We might ask them that they at least don=E2=80=99t disable menu-bar-mode = by > default if that=E2=80=99s the case. Yes, this is a good idea. It would be very useful if someone could report this as a bug to the top five or ten most used distributions/starter kits that do this.