From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Interactive guide for new users (was: Re: Gather a list of confusions beginner tend to have) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:20:59 -0700 Message-ID: References: <875z8ortot.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <83lfhjkq0r.fsf@gnu.org> <8620B5CD-CA92-46BF-80A8-DBE7052F4CA6@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36053"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: =?UTF-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8gS2F5YWFscA==?= , eduardo@mercovich.net, emacs-devel To: Yuan Fu , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 02:21:35 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGWop-0009G9-Ka for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 02:21:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56794 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGWoo-0007cO-Ny for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 20:21:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52754) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGWoK-0007Ah-3u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 20:21:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ed1-x536.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::536]:46374) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGWoI-0000Y9-B9; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 20:21:03 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ed1-x536.google.com with SMTP id a12so8163325eds.13; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:21:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2KzgZH9avfygYf6wXn7GzYaMXMO129MTYG5VLmpPqjQ=; b=u+0o63+Ys42MwtEzSJRGg+diLyXd+Aqm53ub4DlrVm+T2tTBkHnhjUwwcrxh21ZJ02 D4Z4uF+/9y2Wd+VUGp1C6cT7YKHPAXcbLsjrvD8fbSg+enwZFHaTifMn+G3mUH1GhL+E g/HVZ3XzEo2Kisxmxjlql+6ecZPs2k/gXdz009Sy7oVq73rQgaB++i6k+Ap1L1NihzdZ AxdtEadzkrCvaXHco1n6ODPE3iu0GzvttJ5avXqZ7Z+6E0ZIxAP6zWnFgAtbhSQfiy/T gDCFmT2pe56Y76IlhqQ3zCGlgLQhZTxFd9vQxqlcv3kxTJ22YQ5+fkr5KgwpE9JSFDqs NNUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2KzgZH9avfygYf6wXn7GzYaMXMO129MTYG5VLmpPqjQ=; b=jsQ7ZZ1Vls1B0ZqD1rWbl8A9O9vJmBbwsgCaxwEXbn8Y4In5k3AMrJLodMGdRfXHeH Pt67DzdLUgXzEJSXEvxs2SWuhCagn0gU6V5qA1ltRVo2WjcM15/3efAAk9xdY8jnGXjc njRPtRe6kSxZSjW+bgWJF//ep+nPLhC/KLQkQHfy0iatNhj7i3h+GVstc/QP3UlNqyh8 bzPdJ9mpPBad3A9FvlTFCAMzM/fvCPDsInO07N21SSwW9pw41CCLFdUIhvgLZ70WDT7k 1WC2E1kTqRkPndPNBAi5ldzFpIKFfj7CIlwSJmOpkYyy72DcBWatlGTZCgtHBR75usC1 ou5w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532rcLuNtL/37jwiyT2ElEQeKdBptoRONB4rAxcghWqdu4jl99iL LGULijC+yWD56h9P/7f9iV8++8OrI/I03INabjw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw3nS/WSDAoSsReBu/m8rscd15sxvP08IYhnDbLttw+EnFr8JCwCj40TqOeYTsB7C+A86Xmf4FRp/iuQbERPFU= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:c347:: with SMTP id j7mr12629566edr.185.1599783660144; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:20:59 -0700 In-Reply-To: <8620B5CD-CA92-46BF-80A8-DBE7052F4CA6@gmail.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::536; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-ed1-x536.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255066 Archived-At: Yuan Fu writes: > I think there are a few configurations that a beginner would want to > change right after he starts Emacs, usually very basic settings. If > you think it=E2=80=99s a good idea, I can go to reddit and ask what peopl= e > missed when then started using Emacs for the first few minutes. > > FWIW, here is a demo of the guide: https://youtu.be/0qMskTAR2aw > > The demo inserts some configurations into ~/.emacs.d/init.el after comple= tion. Such a beginners guide (wizard) is an excellent idea. And it is great that you actually have code. Let's see what others think, but I will optimistically add my comments below. To my mind, your draft has about the right amount of complexity and options, but we should consider carefully what to include. I propose to consider if any of these are suitable for inclusion: - scroll-conservatively, visible-bell - desktop-save-mode, savehist-mode, save-place-mode, midnight-mode, uniquif= y - auto-image-file-mode, display-time-mode, show-paren-mode - (f)ido-mode, company-mode It's a slippery slope, but if done carefully one could perhaps add just a few more things without weighing it down too much. Taking out the toggle to disable the menu bar and tool bar would save some space. > Others has described the out-of-the-box experience of doom Emacs, it > seems to me that such job is better done by a =E2=80=9Cdistribution=E2=80= =9D of Emacs > than by vanilla Emacs. OTHO, vanilla Emacs could add a tiny guide like > I proposed to more or less improve the life for those who started > Emacs without reading any tutorial on the internet. The idea of profiles/custom themes is orthogonal to the guide you are proposing, IMO. You could set a profile and then tweak the options it gives you.