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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267801 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Stefan Monnier >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2021 19:48:25 -0400 >> >> I think it would be desirable to change the default UI just enough so >> that a code like Xref can make `completing-read` display the >> completions eagerly. > > Right away, i.e. even without the user typing anything? that'd produce > a huge list of candidates, which would be impractical to display. This is what e.g. ivy does on M-x, and it works well in practice. I find it much better to display candidates this way, and I think it would be a step forward if Emacs dit this itself OOTB. (It's also a popular choice elsewhere, try for example entering something into the search bar on Google or DuckDuckGo. The same paradigm you see there is used in a lot of desktop software.)