From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an improved `help-for-help' Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:25:31 -0600 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25188"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 22 16:44:55 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lEDOJ-0006S8-Gk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:44:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40308 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lEDOI-00029l-GQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:44:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60510) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lED5c-0007qD-1M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:25:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-f175.google.com ([209.85.215.175]:41990) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lED5Z-0006i7-Tr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:25:35 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-f175.google.com with SMTP id o38so10403405pgm.9 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 07:25:33 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GFgY38fut/+cPwp0AqxW8y5nXXct52r+hBVkUM1tbRM=; b=fiWUtlVZ8dy6utCYTMvaL9WfdW4+lX8AMKy+jXnIT2HzlkagNoMhOucQmOdPjvepRv nXj7W9rqyo9sfr2SJGj8JY38JmlO3ViAo0IsOpXAXPU3OHad1Tb35sCIS8dNunjB7Xdz vD+3oU69gvlnHmI8xaHauS1CgcIMtaPYnPDx7E0yiDcF1j/B1NDsUe9fpBMrGMa94eFR Nhb2icVDOLAEpTyqaYDS4jSehSOJl13ah3sB1/v5nCbV5TnNweoeDHrbpeNzXToieDan 8f1GOnJNOJEo0f4OI9vW0IG9QasZbHVNiTl7EVuimX5QDo0oxXPuu9VCkUCft1GBm0PF G6/A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530b/co48OVtcE1aAFCynFILvStEMH/bgahmtBq3Edu5NAc/oahJ hWX2uMhR4NEDqr91SQARNl1G4GIMwWySeDkbFfY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxAks7Q3z65ymdEccDFkWdzu0RW9HM9zJCYWzh1Yt5MXep64tzSn5HTaCSW+66ECGWxTw9ziFt9k/BmgRDAw7Q= X-Received: by 2002:a63:e108:: with SMTP id z8mr20008230pgh.363.1614007531961; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 07:25:31 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:25:31 -0600 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.215.175; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-f175.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265482 Archived-At: Yuri Khan writes: > Is there a reason that help-for-help is page-scrollable with > Space/Backspace and C-v/M-v but not PageUp/PageDown, and > line-scrollable with the mouse wheel but not Up/Down arrow keys? A > newcomer will try those and be surprised by the help buffer silently > disappearing. > > Shift+Space should probably also act as =E2=80=9Cscroll a page back=E2=80= =9D on > terminals where this key is distinguishable. I agree with all your points here. Fixing the above would be a good improvement on what we have.