From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: sqlite3 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 16:08:20 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87tufmjyai.fsf@gnus.org> <875ys2lyt0.fsf@yahoo.com> <875ys1lu8w.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8447"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Arthur Miller , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 06 16:10:46 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1muFde-00023m-1H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 16:10:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43570 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muFdd-00026I-1Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 10:10:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35550) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muFbN-0000LT-CB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 10:08:25 -0500 Original-Received: from [2607:f8b0:4864:20::42c] (port=46049 helo=mail-pf1-x42c.google.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muFbL-00017T-Jp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 10:08:25 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-x42c.google.com with SMTP id x131so10386365pfc.12 for ; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 07:08:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=iALrY71c09rtPgHQbhXALBVbIyZKq1qLaRcJ/TasH5k=; b=qMSYmKGyasmMJHQEsHqItLcvTRGB5XsFjTDIoVP81Wi9Bx/wWSkOvF60QLPIcZ8Pxr sPt5EGS/BQMu6Xz6vfS9OaqQUDFhKL+qrvsH0AHDwikYHFdSKUuBrmV4LjhzdV5HEjsm Zys0dDS2AEZUB5YMTFxnxz0W0jwW2tV2gVNzPSjsfY91qMwLR29F2jlZ3M6y9vYpopVb /FW83vOWhzHT8whb6ehZRiu/UzqI812qHwdKxTR+rpooILLHUdBlyckSeQVBfspMvR32 biLJFz2viE3SJeQ796LrwY26UqpwFrrBovYuN3EruHgzjNvClwIfku+NyMoFbce/HQS9 wrbw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=iALrY71c09rtPgHQbhXALBVbIyZKq1qLaRcJ/TasH5k=; b=DqqR/DuBbDagz2U8IUDUVbjjwUwtfnOFwY8rn/k2aRIfAdVlA83LIsFl8LDFsqOaJr vc9GOfzeucaw3HEJflsVEIXbZmJRnEtxCMIkeHvLvj5KmWFHvHmgoOx2ueYsxYYOHMFk 18rE5gNyBpghzmp+47A9ZNB1K8y19GyvLjiK941rv0eE0STu0bs7E3rSoXOyZWRYj4AB GaveHaaDvVqfPJ9aZ4YLGp2lsG3Deylg+VQSyUikVckrjoQQ3sCnbouSdcDVPSh8bUoD sGRhsBYzXMACN/fCnbF09ptnZcmTSDw1Kk0hqN6zDBAcwxAskdKtIlB0bvpVZUnIolSK 4x4w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530gt/qJ9GbAVrr9H2WJm/vgZ1M0AyvG2iB6brSSbzp5dnUI2PFK yR4ZuMB1Rch3S3GHhpwMwbfIK7iATFGRm2rbbiQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwzEtquuYl1EFxkSBmX59fAgIPU/BBPwZC8dvdoruLyuH4m2On9XVImQ/haiGpMjFYSAKc5Jlvy2hzNWrHx7hY= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:8283:0:b0:49f:a0d0:abcf with SMTP id s3-20020aa78283000000b0049fa0d0abcfmr11565494pfm.70.1638803301648; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 07:08:21 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 16:08:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: <875ys1lu8w.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2607:f8b0:4864:20::42c (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::42c; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-x42c.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -12 X-Spam_score: -1.3 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, PDS_HP_HELO_NORDNS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281123 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> SQLite is everywhere, is it not? So we add it as a build dependency, >> just like we do with other things. > > Does that imply requiring it for Emacs to build and work? If we would go this route, I personally wouldn't see it as high priority to support non-sqlite builds. But that's me. >> Is DJGPP relevant outside of the MS-DOS build? > > No, but the MS-DOS build is still relevant. I don't see that, myself. In any case, AFAIK, the policy is that we provide support for such platforms to the extent that people volunteer to keep them running. > For example, we would lose the ability to inspect custom files as plain > text. In many cases, customize has written bad data to my custom file > that prevented Emacs from working, but I could always edit the custom > file manually to get things working again. > > This would not be so easy with a binary database. As long as we're clear that no one has suggested wholesale replacing customize with binary data, I agree that this is clearly one of the drawbacks of SQLite over prin1+write-region. I don't think it's bad enough to be catastrophic, however, and there are many upsides as well.