Re: master 07c0e090bd 2/2: Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'

Re: master 07c0e090bd 2/2: Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

>     Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'

I forgot to remember to not to forget to ask about the latter name,
which sucks.  Anybody have a better name for a command that lets you
replace a rectangle in an image with blankness?

Re: master 07c0e090bd 2/2: Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'

[Stefan Kangas]

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

>>     Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'
>
> I forgot to remember to not to forget to ask about the latter name,
> which sucks.  Anybody have a better name for a command that lets you
> replace a rectangle in an image with blankness?

Here are some ideas:

    image-censor
    image-censor-rectangle
    image-black-out
    image-cross-out
    image-strike-out
    image-bleep     [probably too light-hearted]

Re: master 07c0e090bd 2/2: Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'

[Gregory Heytings]

>>>     Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'
>>
>> I forgot to remember to not to forget to ask about the latter name, 
>> which sucks.  Anybody have a better name for a command that lets you 
>> replace a rectangle in an image with blankness?
>
> Here are some ideas:
>
>    image-censor
>    image-censor-rectangle
>    image-black-out
>    image-cross-out
>    image-strike-out
>    image-bleep     [probably too light-hearted]
>

I think "redact" is the right verb here, see 
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/redact which says:

1. To censor, to black out or remove parts of a document while leaving the 
remainder.

2. To black out legally protected sections of text in a document provided 
to opposing counsel, typically as part of the discovery process.

Re: master 07c0e090bd 2/2: Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:37:31 -0700
> 
> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> 
> > I forgot to remember to not to forget to ask about the latter name,
> > which sucks.  Anybody have a better name for a command that lets you
> > replace a rectangle in an image with blankness?
> 
> Here are some ideas:
> 
>     image-censor
>     image-censor-rectangle
>     image-black-out
>     image-cross-out
>     image-strike-out
>     image-bleep     [probably too light-hearted]

Don't image-processing programs out there have some accepted
terminology for this?

Re: master 07c0e090bd 2/2: Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'

[Lars Ingebrigtsen]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> > I forgot to remember to not to forget to ask about the latter name,
>> > which sucks.  Anybody have a better name for a command that lets you
>> > replace a rectangle in an image with blankness?
>> 
>> Here are some ideas:
>> 
>>     image-censor
>>     image-censor-rectangle
>>     image-black-out
>>     image-cross-out
>>     image-strike-out
>>     image-bleep     [probably too light-hearted]

Hm...  `image-censor' is probably the actual use case here...

> Don't image-processing programs out there have some accepted
> terminology for this?

In Gimp, selecting a rectangle and removing the contents is called "cut"
(and is on `C-x').  It puts the cut portion onto the clipboard, so it's
not quite the same, but perhaps it's similar enough?

Re: master 07c0e090bd 2/2: Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2022 07:56:49 +0200
> 
> > Don't image-processing programs out there have some accepted
> > terminology for this?
> 
> In Gimp, selecting a rectangle and removing the contents is called "cut"
> (and is on `C-x').  It puts the cut portion onto the clipboard, so it's
> not quite the same, but perhaps it's similar enough?

I see the same term used in at least one more such program.  So it
sounds like "cut" is the term we should use here.

Re: master 07c0e090bd 2/2: Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'

[Juri Linkov]

> In Gimp, selecting a rectangle and removing the contents is called "cut"
> (and is on `C-x').  It puts the cut portion onto the clipboard, so it's
> not quite the same, but perhaps it's similar enough?

"Cut" that doesn't put a rectangle onto the clipboard is called
"Clear" (on the Delete key).  Also variations of this are called
"Fill with ..." (BG color, FG color, ...)

Re: master 07c0e090bd 2/2: Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'

[Jean Louis]

* Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> [2022-09-14 21:16]:
> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> 
> >     Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'
> 
> I forgot to remember to not to forget to ask about the latter name,
> which sucks.  Anybody have a better name for a command that lets you
> replace a rectangle in an image with blankness?

In Gimp I use select and then cut, if image has alpha background, what
I cut out becomes transparent, like for PNG images. As it is several
steps to reach that point, there is no specific name.

Your function elides, name is correct in English.

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Re: master 07c0e090bd 2/2: Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'

[Jean Louis]

* Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org> [2022-09-15 02:47]:
> I think "redact" is the right verb here, see
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/redact which says:
> 
> 1. To censor, to black out or remove parts of a document while leaving the
> remainder.
> 
> 2. To black out legally protected sections of text in a document provided to
> opposing counsel, typically as part of the discovery process.

I don't think so, it is not related to images.

Wordnet:

* Overview of verb redact

The verb redact has 2 senses (no senses from tagged texts)
1. frame, redact, cast, put, couch -- (formulate in a particular style or language; "I wouldn't put it that way"; "She cast her request in very polite language")
2. edit, redact -- (prepare for publication or presentation by correcting, revising, or adapting; "Edit a book on lexical semantics"; "she edited the letters of the politician so as to omit the most personal passages")


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Re: master 07c0e090bd 2/2: Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'

[Jean Louis]

* Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> [2022-09-15 08:57]:
> In Gimp, selecting a rectangle and removing the contents is called "cut"
> (and is on `C-x').  It puts the cut portion onto the clipboard, so it's
> not quite the same, but perhaps it's similar enough?

thus image-rectangle-cut is appropriate, though image-elide is just
fine. 

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Re: master 07c0e090bd 2/2: Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'

[Jean Louis]

* Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net> [2022-09-15 09:45]:
> > In Gimp, selecting a rectangle and removing the contents is called "cut"
> > (and is on `C-x').  It puts the cut portion onto the clipboard, so it's
> > not quite the same, but perhaps it's similar enough?
> 
> "Cut" that doesn't put a rectangle onto the clipboard is called
> "Clear" (on the Delete key).  Also variations of this are called
> "Fill with ..." (BG color, FG color, ...)

He said that rectangle shall be filled with blankness. Blankness means
to me transparency, it means no color.

In that case, why not image-rectangle-blank -- as in that case
function decides that what is cut out it becomes blank and I assume
this means transparent, without any color.

But if something is cut out to be pasted in some other image, then:
image-rectangle-cut -- while the type of the image or its settings
decide if it will be cut with transparency or not.

If with "blankness" is not meant transparency that means that there
shall be settings just like in Gimp to designate default foreground
and background color, and when rectangle is cut, the background color
should appear in the elided area. In that case it should be
image-rectangle-remove or -cut or similar.

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Re: master 07c0e090bd 2/2: Add new commands 'image-crop' and 'image-elide'

[Po Lu]

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

>>>     image-censor
>>>     image-censor-rectangle
>>>     image-black-out
>>>     image-cross-out
>>>     image-strike-out
>>>     image-bleep     [probably too light-hearted]
>
> Hm...  `image-censor' is probably the actual use case here...

Or perhaps `imake-erase-rectangle'?