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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209276 Archived-At: --94eb2c0665c6d458980540c20220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 8 November 2016 at 04:27, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 15:22:28 -0500 > > From: "Perry E. Metzger" > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > I think deliberately breaking it seems like it would be antisocial, > > but going through substantial trouble (that is, say, holding back > > some sort of improved functionality) to make sure it keeps working > > also seems unreasonable. > > We never do the latter. If some functionality cannot work on old > Windows systems, there's a runtime test which disables the feature on > those systems, with some suitable return value or error message. > > This has been the Emacs practice for years. > FWIW, my impression after reading this thread wasn't merely about the text in the README, but rather as to whether time should be spent even considering Windows 9x when working on Emacs. I took the liberty to search the archives, and found several instances this year alone where time was spent discussing whether or not to use one function or another because they weren't supposed on these older versions of Windows. At the risk of putting opinions into other people's mouths, I do think that those are the kinds of discussions no one really wants. Regards, Elias --94eb2c0665c6d458980540c20220 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 8= November 2016 at 04:27, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 15:22:28 -0500
> From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@piermont.com>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org<= /a>
>
> I think deliberately breaking it seems like it would be antisocial, > but going through substantial trouble (that is, say, holding back
> some sort of improved functionality) to make sure it keeps working
> also seems unreasonable.

We never do the latter.=C2=A0 If some functionality cannot work on o= ld
Windows systems, there's a runtime test which disables the feature on those systems, with some suitable return value or error message.

This has been the Emacs practice for years.

=
FWIW, my impression after reading this thread wasn't merely about = the text in the README, but rather as to whether time should be spent even = considering Windows 9x when working on Emacs.

I to= ok the liberty to search the archives, and found several instances this yea= r alone where time was spent discussing whether or not to use one function = or another because they weren't supposed on these older versions of Win= dows.

At the risk of putting opinions into other p= eople's mouths, I do think that those are the kinds of discussions no o= ne really wants.

Regards,
Elias=C2=A0
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