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From: "Elias Mårtenson" <lokedhs@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Philippe Vaucher <philippe.vaucher@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: custom-set-variables considered harmful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 00:35:58 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADtN0W+ro75RTsGAA13-q=MBAg4crKF=9NmXisNLjhmw8VFYXw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvpo812l3a.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

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On 29 November 2017 at 23:00, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
wrote:

> > Thus, if you use ‘setq’ instead of ‘custom-set-variable’ you need to
> > manually check every single variable to ensure they don't have setter
> > functions assigned.  If you want to be thorough (nobody is) you also
> > need to check them every time your modules are updated.  This is not
> > just a theoretical situation.
>
> Note that there are also many situations where the var has a setter, yet
> doing (setq foo val) on it from your ~/.emacs will still work correctly
> (as long as you do it before loading the library).
> I'd argue it's actually the most frequent case.
>

It is. But why does that make a difference? There are plenty of other
things that
works almost all the time, even though it's not recommended.

All I'm trying to say is that we currently have two methods for setting
custom
variables:

  - setq - works almost all the time
  - custom-set-variable - works all the time

I'm not saying that anyone should make setq not work. I'm simply suggesting
that
perhaps it's a good idea to recommend users that they use the one, simple,
mechanism that exists and works all the time.

Wouldn't that make things simpler in the long run?

Regards,
Elias

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-11-29 16:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-04 17:10 custom-set-variables considered harmful Stefan Monnier
2017-11-06  9:02 ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-11-06 12:19   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-11-06 16:36   ` raman
2017-11-07 19:53     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-08 10:06 ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2017-11-08 13:38   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-08 14:23     ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2017-11-08 15:17       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-08 15:34         ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2017-11-13 16:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-24  7:04   ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-11-24  7:16     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-24 17:37       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-11-24 17:56         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-26 12:15       ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-11-26 16:30         ` Drew Adams
2017-11-28 14:12         ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-11-28 16:50           ` John Wiegley
2017-12-01  9:44             ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-11-29  3:36           ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-11-29 15:00             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-29 15:03               ` Drew Adams
2017-12-01 20:42                 ` Robert Weiner
2017-12-02  0:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-02  1:58                     ` Drew Adams
2017-12-02  5:56                 ` Teemu Likonen
2017-11-29 16:35               ` Elias Mårtenson [this message]
2017-11-29 19:57                 ` Scott Randby
2017-11-29 22:08                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-30  0:40                     ` Scott Randby
2017-12-01  9:51             ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-12-04 13:48   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 15:36     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 16:05     ` Robert Weiner
2017-12-04 23:50     ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-05  1:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-23 20:12 ` John Wiegley

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