From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Elias_M=C3=A5rtenson?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 23:00:39 +0800 Message-ID: References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus> <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000020e52b05aea65ec0" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33398"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Ergus , emacs-devel To: "Alfred M. 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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254564 Archived-At: --00000000000020e52b05aea65ec0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, 6 Sep 2020 at 22:45, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > 1) Improve the default theme: Maybe set a default dark theme to make > emacs feel more modern. Experienced users usually already have a custom > theme, so they won't be affected. There is actually some statistics > about downloades themes here: > > This would be an utterly disastrous change. As an experienced user, I > do not have a custom theme, and prefer to use the defaults of Emacs. > Same for me, and I'm pretty sure we're not alone. Also, while dark background is popular right now, it's not necessarily better. Apart from the fact that there is actual science showing that dark backgrounds are worse for one's eyes, I believe the current trend is merely the pendulum is swinging back. Recall that backgrounds used to be dark back in the terminal era. Then monitors became better and white background was finally usable. Now, people who only ever have experienced white backgrounds wants to change things for the sake of change, so that is now popular, even though it's actually quantifiably worse. This Wired article on the topic contains links to actual research on this: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/dark-mode-chrome-android-ios-science Regards, Elias --00000000000020e52b05aea65ec0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, 6 Sep 2020 at 22:45, Alfred M. Sz= midt <ams@gnu.org> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A01) Improve the default theme: Maybe set a default dark them= e to make
=C2=A0 =C2=A0emacs feel more modern. Experienced users usually already have= a custom
=C2=A0 =C2=A0theme, so they won't be affected. There is actually some s= tatistics
=C2=A0 =C2=A0about downloades themes here:

This would be an utterly disastrous change.=C2=A0 As an experienced user, I=
do not have a custom theme, and prefer to use the defaults of Emacs.

Same for me, and I'm pretty sure we'r= e not alone.

Also, while dark background is popula= r right now, it's not necessarily better. Apart from the fact that ther= e is actual science showing that dark backgrounds are worse for one's e= yes, I believe the current trend is merely the pendulum is swinging back.

Recall that backgrounds used to be dark back in the= terminal era. Then monitors became better and white background was finally= usable. Now, people who only ever have experienced white backgrounds wants= to change things for the sake of change, so that is now popular, even thou= gh it's actually quantifiably worse.

This Wire= d article on the topic contains links to actual research on this: h= ttps://www.wired.co.uk/article/dark-mode-chrome-android-ios-science

Regards,
Elias
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