From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Elias_M=C3=A5rtenson?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default emacs init file location confusion Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 13:33:20 +0800 Message-ID: References: <83y2ukc55g.fsf@gnu.org> <85C8025D-ACFD-4DEB-B030-E46B3109323E@gnu.org> <83lfqjckjn.fsf@gnu.org> <83blrfci4q.fsf@gnu.org> <837e23chdm.fsf@gnu.org> <834kx7cgmh.fsf@gnu.org> <87tv56bjop.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b41698059b9a3bc0" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="2458"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Robert Pluim , smartlitchi@gmail.com, emacs-devel To: "Mingde (Matthew) Zeng" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 08 06:41:53 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ip431-000poa-VK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 06:38:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37168 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ip42z-0007uh-Vp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 00:38:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53374) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ip3yJ-00011b-1E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 00:33:36 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ip3yH-0005cI-Tk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 00:33:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-il1-x129.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::129]:40811) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ip3yH-0005ae-N8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 00:33:33 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-il1-x129.google.com with SMTP id c4so1644138ilo.7 for ; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:33:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AGcoWR1pKOG4EIIexIzdTcZMuE8QOHlCGxJpMX2uoPE=; b=hEAoHJJvJlUCIUJ31GOSlcz7/FwSEyM+zJySCiULGp51NtdpXnDmGK0qw4n1JV4BCs foy9qaSZ+UyQlv+oSeCfIyrwBrQ9I2zedV2djfuj8IM/T7zwAdX5lBkolqeHKMYAeeb/ fHnAhVZEPoW9p3hnvdQXcwYQLx22GaP2cJQgT+xOsv+O5bIpwIP6xDcoz3oweRVBkfqu 57FIgCsdebMC7wd7NIJ8aQOfDzCoUow2qSevqklXvq2VOrn9wFGAN6/8lGtJtI1l27ZQ 3Vvs9LljNzBQAffwSj1sVXtFBrsm6Sj0v/9jR9cPR9ogFqHGY+T2CCOWOtSwSICMSVMH S9Cg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AGcoWR1pKOG4EIIexIzdTcZMuE8QOHlCGxJpMX2uoPE=; b=sEFwFh6zOrTtw/iLVwb3Qoi9edcNh0sQNkZ/tM17yo9wxuYpzkmhxyTtHYJ40XM44M NxaGW6oYZR0kpRJ91QJRaYr1EhoIWyvS54N1KGCg/H5qL3hn3wzreQW1iueg9eyt7h99 xJaq/v+KLDImal97UUd9Za4JVw1M5VaUo04edkV8zGHUrgCU4wr06CwhMDIVtoGfxQsm 6wwN6mrJKyAF+S/ghQbuFyDvAY8jM8PafD1blP7sy5hL2TaMkLUBgSyv/xqyx5Wa3zrQ ofzUF5e5GLtqKlaN8b/A1XtDmJ94XJ1trqk13odvR8QmlfMeS8tT277ihmMdKt/l9QZS f2ag== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVbNM2j0+7JMMRXTxITohBTLVEfm5GodPUHImHQY4vbysMg8yFt jIo39DY6nqRpL0xd2Q/CbRpFAKK7cTIK9HvAvVg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyKeL1oS4etirWMuBBOVV9+wYHE/NEuagojrq5OJRowhoj2+tYppedCOzCWM/3eZIJeOOp4Nik7HMT7kmo3cUg= X-Received: by 2002:a92:4818:: with SMTP id v24mr2293490ila.96.1578461612473; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:33:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87tv56bjop.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::129 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:244104 Archived-At: --000000000000b41698059b9a3bc0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 13:28, Mingde (Matthew) Zeng wrote: > > I am one of many people who was confused by this change as well. > > I agree that we should (at least) give a warning during startup. If you > believe it's too easy to miss it, a y-or-n prompt notifying ~/.config/emacs > creation would be much better, though I might be asking too much. > > I don't think it will be an annoyance, because this warning/prompt should > only occur in the first ever startup of Emacs, prior to creating any > configuration file. If configuration exists either in ~/.emacs.d or > ~/.config/emacs, the user should never see this message again. > Given the large number of people who seem to have run into the same issue, most of which are users who have years if not decades of Emacs experience shows that something should be done before the release of 27. Having thought about it some more, I came up with this proposal: Emacs could check if both directories exist, and if so, provide an interactive choice for the user to pick which one to use. If the user don't want to have to answer this question every time Emacs starts up, they can delete one of the directories. Regards, Elias --000000000000b41698059b9a3bc0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 13:28, Mingde (Matt= hew) Zeng <matthewzmd@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

I am one of many people who was confused by t= his change as well.

I agree that we should (at least) give a warning during startup. If you bel= ieve it's too easy to miss it, a y-or-n prompt notifying ~/.config/emac= s creation would be much better, though I might be asking too much.

I don't think it will be an annoyance, because this warning/prompt shou= ld only occur in the first ever startup of Emacs, prior to creating any con= figuration file. If configuration exists either in ~/.emacs.d or ~/.config/= emacs, the user should never see this message again.


Regards,
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