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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283878 Archived-At: --0000000000004d2c6c05d496d3d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 07:15, Po Lu wrote: > Custom should be understandable for everyone, and I don't see why it > isn't. It works reasonably similarly to, for example, the Mozilla > Firefox about:preferences page. > Some people only feel that they understand a program when they are able to make a good mental model of how it works. And to me customize is a big black box with several smaller black boxes inside, and with no visible tools to let me inspect its data structures. [[]], E. --0000000000004d2c6c05d496d3d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 07:15, Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> wrote:
=C2=A0Custom should be understandable for everyone, and I don't s= ee why it
isn't.=C2=A0 It works reasonably similarly to, for example, the Mozilla=
Firefox about:preferences page.

=C2=A0S= ome people only feel that they understand a program when they are
able= to make a good mental model of how it works. And to me customize
is a b= ig black box with several smaller black boxes inside, and with
no visibl= e tools to let me inspect its data structures.

=C2=A0 [[]], E.

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