From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eduardo Ochs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. 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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256649 Archived-At: Here's how to check the dict entries for a word if you have eev installed. Type dict buffer in a line by itself, and then type `M-S' (meta-shift-s). The `M-S' wraps the contents of the current line in a: # (find-sh "...") so the line becomes: # (find-sh "dict buffer") which is an elisp hyperlink to the output of running "dict buffer" on a shell. In this case the FOLDOC entry is the most relevant one, so I will usually duplicate and refine that hyperlink, to obtain this: # (find-sh "dict buffer") # (find-sh "dict buffer" "[foldoc]") For more info: http://angg.twu.net/emacsconf2019.html http://angg.twu.net/eev-intros/find-eev-quick-intro.html#3 http://angg.twu.net/eev-intros/find-refining-intro.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86yiRG8YJD0&t=841 Cheers, Eduardo Ochs On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 20:31, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > > On 28.09.2020 06:45, Richard Stallman wrote: > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > > Here's a simple example: > > > > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2020-09/msg00842.html > > > > Referring to messages that way is inconvenient for me. The message is > > in my saved mail, but I cannot find it with that info. Would you > > please send message IDs instead? I can search for that. > > Too bad. Perhaps the generated HTML should include something unique in > the urls to help refer to. Not sure what, though. You can't easily read > a website. My email client can't search by message ID. > > Anyway, here it is: > > See this and the preceding thread. > > > > BTW, my last personal email to you has seen no response. Were you too > > > busy, or is there some delivery problem, maybe? > > > > Sorry, I don't remember. I don't remember things like that for very > > long nowadays. If it was important, ask me again. > > OK, will do. >