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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::230 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247362 Archived-At: > It's already a good source code editor, and yet its share among > programmers is < 5%. Interesting fact, I didn't know this and had assumed it was quite a bit higher. > As a word processor, it's a lot less capable ... And there are existing Free programs > that do this better already (like LibreOffice Writer). You are right, there is LibreOffice, and I don't need Emacs to be another WYSIWYG word processor. But that said, it's already a terrific text processor, especially with org-mode. I've written 8 novels in English, 1 in French, and countless short stories with Emacs. I couldn't conceive of a more productive writing tool, and in the writing community I know of many others who feel the same way. The AucTeX interface to LaTeX makes publishing feasible, too, although I admit that's yet another learning curve to traverse. -- Bob Newell Honolulu, Hawai`i Via Linux/Emacs/Gnus/BBDB.