From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Radon Rosborough Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Various fixes for early init file changes Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:16:35 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87vadsnzw5.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1521490649 23945 195.159.176.226 (19 Mar 2018 20:17:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 20:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Noam Postavsky , emacs-devel To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 19 21:17:25 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ey1Dg-00066m-JS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:17:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43737 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ey1Fj-0007HM-IE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 16:19:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44433) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ey1Da-0005gv-Rt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 16:17:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ey1Da-0000ht-0N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 16:17:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lf0-x22e.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c07::22e]:36036) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ey1DZ-0000hD-Oo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 16:17:17 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lf0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id z143-v6so21144272lff.3 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:17:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XWUwSZOP9DckT23vqsv1E2gmK8IX7nMBVoS6OsFLvQg=; b=qFvm9is5XxYkrDXa7dO7PAn5fUIfjRtgPW8jI06MHdS3bi2mCRqPIhwt8+ThA5op46 aYr/gRn4+1jHLODvu8Yn7eb8QnmfS9BlI1t7cc3iHaSC9D0WfIEv15w+rkOPO2lJCmSs DnBX1llXEqSL3PQoEVw+1ChBgVuANgkoVUZ/isqSOnLVqsLwY3qjbYZLNf18/an6cVc0 Kr8dhLbFwpVMLoOMT6TtB+v2bSrYoTrJzjx2OSroHThcIufG76LN5sAYcd8l9FqKzFkm oyIQ7VOdU2JlLiXZgEps0hFMJiKiHoViNo4up9m+TIdetVdqjp2niWwh9z+KWlfTPu4E YOSQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XWUwSZOP9DckT23vqsv1E2gmK8IX7nMBVoS6OsFLvQg=; b=CYASXrN1o+iwvuzDr3gJWEH/QMavdNMRfgx5HXiMaiTTDdOzXrz+Knlfo5t6aLED7s SiUD77YKDQh4LPpGcZWEhCaVecktBRuaWT1ekYMV9KW8rh3qqbTKlr3WH7NvXYrbTNf0 hqmJEFSpK/rNuJYXOu6c4cLv0LbtXM4whIC+kMZxug2BxlY/AnbpLQT6n3ZD6bOIPGok nLp6ZweYg9kbEQj9JP5Hz3ZS4jh6D2BNn4MQLBz1C3JnB6aMFktCnr6AbfzU5pBTu0GL 1peVb3HznDmVva1CWuDC2nLnBlShyZE7DqkekXBpwEc7CXPbuUrOw42FY1o7jIYRb9Me H7oQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7F7G1CBbqEyE37VqQBiz91P8NPF9tbVsap/o0oPqqTAdm+JFsD8 XX+w8V6s/9v8sYdoPa/nJAaRif/MyiysMMHJjq9Z6lpr X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELvAh4Z6xCmD4L0eJCtaeqUaQSWOt5TSpxjbo7aI/4fBNHfDbQaKosRMNMT3QvNqs1dL0Dr3SsxCsfSMVAoRrzo= X-Received: by 10.46.151.136 with SMTP id y8mr667564lji.84.1521490636623; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 2002:a19:6514:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:16:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c07::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223832 Archived-At: > Disabling should be easy for anyone, including novices. I agree with your philosophy but in this case allowing such disabling would actually do more harm than good. It's not a matter of a choice being made for the user, it's just a case of their init-file is wrong and needs to be fixed (otherwise it will load slower). Let's be pragmatic here and recognize that since basically every user of Emacs is going to see this message, if there is any way for the user to mess up, it will happen hundreds of times. Stefan's suggestion is of course the right answer, I think: the user is given an option to fix the warning, not disable it.