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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c07::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/emacs-devel>, <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/> List-Post: <mailto:emacs-devel@gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel>, <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org> Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:224602 Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/224602> >> I'd like to see what people think about also adding it to Emacs core. > > Personally I think this is the opposite direction to the one in which > Emacs components should be moving. I heartily agree here: as someone who is looking to modernize Emacs package management, one of the biggest problems I see in the current system is the fact that some (obsolete) versions of packages are bundled with Emacs core. It is annoying in the same way that when using a package manager on macOS, one must deal with the (obsolete) versions of packages that are provided by macOS. > (Wistfully thinking here yet again of the project to bundle GNU ELPA > packages with Emacs releases...) My ideal situation would be one in which one can additionally install a version of Emacs that does *not* come bundled with any packages. AFAICT, this project would help make that happen, so I am also in support of that. Best, Radon