From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Radon Rosborough Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Summary and next steps for (package-initialize) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 10:21:17 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1503249731 17858 195.159.176.226 (20 Aug 2017 17:22:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 17:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 20 19:22:07 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1djTvJ-0004HQ-5N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 19:22:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40665 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djTvP-0000cn-Op for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 13:22:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36172) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djTvE-0000a2-NE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 13:22:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djTvD-0000JW-TY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 13:22:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lf0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c07::233]:35967) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djTvD-0000J7-Lt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 13:21:59 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lf0-x233.google.com with SMTP id f123so9339616lfe.3 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 10:21:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=CBAh08UVQhE3rs13FLnP8wz6orZUyXhx7P/dfyPMSZM=; b=gofUWaUkoJnwmn1vWeo9cx5fUy4TGS78r2Y7JX+VBUNww48h6crACGj40VXKH+XVVm 32W4ndoVg5I19i9syDp4FYc2jPHzcGYcGI6ZDqjO2OEqRKeOHrOGvaMtHpMRnxnAER0O uCeQ+mpr757rkh5j/Bw+/fhjjZ4OTHnXCtF9+3470qxhcXfX7DhMO5wXtofInoHrPGIF +3jG24QGK7BQrO4DjoNwxOEfbvYNdsOr/8flMUeji21v8zxf9L5pvVVPYu4Lb+gtlRu6 md4WhX1Vv6EhFgHTvUdYfwZ4wVg4V2ngqT+wU5WSGpm7hjtpijD8EW0eXkpGt/sIutGn Mbpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CBAh08UVQhE3rs13FLnP8wz6orZUyXhx7P/dfyPMSZM=; b=gJ+4brbgYZ41m2+Fzpj0PjOwrQBJkH5H6iJ4EuYYnYm9cn4LNNtr3pnKZK2vOiq8Hs +L90x72t+bOwmuzfGhnwLKtg+Vg0y8TzN9+0KHma4jeCITbYasHhYvGPiDijVL5+xG/J Ezo38BvuWEEIt8MTXOpZ+rfrmHB59u3AOHDL4LFo99aYb8WKoE5HlJ4fqFWBhkUxRrRQ erGTLg9Atxk807qPETuaKp96ZImN2UpJzGEyZGsHODO8qNqNqdKbsuEVhrTF73uZ9eOd Bl8ne09zT7Lo74Z1BFeiBbcM1bkzz/hYTXdmJ8KlUsvM/S6aGxGAnRpqSlrgdm0oc2Tz M20Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5j9TesEsPL3zqxuw4ojODdW4CWgfBI97uy2/Ow5txGMC6t42T5v lUk4zRU5zdcltNOXymiLT4cDMBRzi8F4Q8I= X-Received: by 10.25.21.94 with SMTP id l91mr1310363lfi.16.1503249718429; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 10:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.80.3 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 10:21:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c07::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217637 Archived-At: > > The `package--ensure-init-file' logic will be removed, and package.el > > will not ever directly modify the user's init-file. > > I already argued why I think this is a non-starter. Could you repeat the gist of that argument here, please? I just skimmed the previous thread again, and the only thing I found that sounds like an argument against removing `package--ensure-init-file' is that it would disadvantage users who already have an init-file and start using package.el. But I already addressed this argument in the first bullet point of the "Disadvantages" section of my email beginning this thread.