From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Radon Rosborough Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Summary and next steps for (package-initialize) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:16:00 -0700 Message-ID: References: <83tw12cocz.fsf@gnu.org> <83wp5xat6i.fsf@gnu.org> <2d035e42-006b-e76e-2b3f-75f2dfd87bb7@taydin.org> <2074981921.476065.1503488033882@mail.libero.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045ea3ca10e91905576ee0b8" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1503508721 14991 195.159.176.226 (23 Aug 2017 17:18:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment_Pit=2DClaudel?= , Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier , Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Angelo Graziosi Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 23 19:18:37 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkZIW-0003Nu-Nb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 19:18:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44915 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkZId-0000ed-6j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:18:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58903) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkZGl-000822-8b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:16:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkZGk-0005Gx-G1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:16:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lf0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c07::22d]:38184) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkZGk-0005GU-7t; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:16:42 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lf0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id y15so3208468lfd.5; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:16:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RoyopMFgl9FqSc63Vt8ai6WzMwhTzb8UBGYDWcfzZ6I=; b=Y4J4P/R8yCioVTEo8+sCzTaqu09UWCoflWxp27sodwK4CAbTsEvZAaN4CNBtnPtOMA EPFJsuNPpQ9VgrBIIb9VU6fT2F+a+8W2OJtiZtIeqYIEt3s0ML7zD+tJGdyqHwW03QSk 0H7b6WMRygk/SfAJPunbAXEGi2DleZpbyxTphKc2Z9T97FdMSOzB/jmLR+Zj/tqpd0gc SBzOWf5jXje/DtjJ/FQneZFKj2FrleQ6XYzYawEB0DT360TpGPTiZ7Lz/xi8Xkn99W1m 0jbscS1e8S4kQ4v7UHBSomCxjsEUml5F4h5tW1XmwJgs87a8DcdA0oI3g13yz/22wAII ePeQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RoyopMFgl9FqSc63Vt8ai6WzMwhTzb8UBGYDWcfzZ6I=; b=bOXS9SJ14XsR+x6lQgs+PxJ0bXIDLvWk8CqLVh/6l8Qz9uWrtpX98ZCl+rqDyoUHgp vsmQRsk9iecDoDTjgMrxi7xFU5R+hz3kQvoy/Dm2+HiZ/h86vDTqUPPUUb7TToJ7hdLD 9+GxTDtPt5Ws4J6v2yoOsxgXbadmp1ph2AA99VkoDpO0iHyrNZgzIWnaS4qzl/UG/tLd a5y/EDaZ9i1gmlNl2/4bOLiIUlOt/cdKhEUBGIsy87DMJUAmkCXfsyJlmhxgtn/IOElo Bv6cNxrqCLf+UBEVP3OLOWsU9oDmnT28Uvwn7L4XPK6CIQqPFd7kBVICNUJKFO7cWtUo ctBA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5h6lfp2wdsyJ2bVNkwRrfFSMxl7q8zIbJH0hvjFmUNSulU2fUP0 RLKIhewladhGi2gigas4hGuaBJgMNjIh2hgmqw== X-Received: by 10.25.100.81 with SMTP id b17mr1277628lfj.237.1503508600774; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.42.215 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:16:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2074981921.476065.1503488033882@mail.libero.it> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c07::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217725 Archived-At: --f403045ea3ca10e91905576ee0b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > I don't know which problem you are trying to solve and its details Making the built-in package manager work without any user intervention. > Why not to introduce an init file to fix something in foo1.el or > foo2.el or... f..? > > No, what ever you are trying to fix is 'wrong'... :P I would agree in the case of any other package. But I've been convinced that the built-in package manager deserves a special place in the startup process. Note, if you look earlier in this thread, I said literally exactly the same thing as you, for the same reason. I have however changed my mind. --f403045ea3ca10e91905576ee0b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> I don't know which problem you are tryi= ng to solve and its details

Making the built-in pa= ckage manager work without any user
intervention.

<= /div>
> Why not to introduce an init file to fix something in foo1.e= l or
> foo2.el or... f..?
>
> No, wh= at ever you are trying to fix is 'wrong'... :P

=
I would agree in the case of any other package. But I've been
convinced that the built-in package manager deserves a special place<= /div>
in the startup process.

Note, if you loo= k earlier in this thread, I said literally exactly the
same thing= as you, for the same reason. I have however changed my
mind.

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