From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Radon Rosborough Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fixing package-initialize, adding early init file Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 12:40:06 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1506368461 22758 195.159.176.226 (25 Sep 2017 19:41:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 19:41:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 25 21:40:56 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dwZFL-0005QP-9M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 21:40:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43987 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwZFS-0004VP-LD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 15:40:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48464) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwZFJ-0004SO-9B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 15:40:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwZFI-0005Cl-Is for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 15:40:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wr0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c0c::232]:49481) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dwZFI-0005CC-6n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 15:40:48 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wr0-x232.google.com with SMTP id u96so9711373wrb.6 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 12:40:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=A0vik+VjMehE0G4wKqcysrMYHz1vYHiUO8+ToFrtKx0=; b=Lm2NlMc7AMrg3QZ+FqzAUwOQtrTPYGUhJr29aY6/NU25Hes3fkC7FVEbDmonRmhq0l Dl/Hv1NtGstJeDwrnFVQekcFqtqEgVXnR9XjjJkIrqkgmMPw6K/RlSZ0hHhJUR154QHo FAjGAsxvNhTtXYLXDUkjiGv/GEkuS6Bq1wvQxYKP+SbNX5kjgPdeCIqxXJvctvpTEAwa mnzJ+Wfvslvi1l1acsetxcHid/sWZ5Eevl8R7H5xe9F9shj1v02lUt/3OH8cr2sCLRfg fWoXdNLpDtmGHjtAvCfGa7CqEz0pMfrQQKkNUB1vaEoFvqb2zb7G2uzGMYrjoDCUzWIi lkSg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=A0vik+VjMehE0G4wKqcysrMYHz1vYHiUO8+ToFrtKx0=; b=MTcnTC8bnVVQVvEw3wxqXUcwWZ7HSbbwwxy4HoobgzceDXglIfoCEaCvpLhJf6V8Au tQN2WJ9Chk4lKycIILF5TQwpip9VEPLghO/o3dejj5h9uJkEHCgAxKe0UzxMIKRX2gap UiSwql5tAasiEr9Vhd1JvK06wK9SmU7TrL7fxIC1x3vSQr6uBLIBDWgHW/Pj+tJpbmrS bRZn6rg6h749HU38Fj2Yi742KmcOBk3YF9eeP8PjxpctIvtged/e0dBrlOJG/PlwGVHC GzRpAqvdaTVxXCoQilgQTbArmnmkgRj2JWMJ30rT1gF3IpmyBQFxl7sv6M/VcHELUdct TapA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUjjniwUcdGeQjc2VPZByxDWoEaRtfKNQjbVgbHicvzp2wTvCoUx 361Osn0sFwJlMrEOHdg6YLu9Ie/dFKcpRS2dNHs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QCYOVp2/tl2w8Ao8bJMHhlVHjsZMUCqjsZLDDwqWWeg3oSdjHYZqEh/hOizWmzrE4LlNDos6/6GodsX70zcSvQ= X-Received: by 10.46.5.15 with SMTP id 15mr2892789ljf.157.1506368447161; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 12:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.22.76 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 12:40:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c0c::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:218781 Archived-At: > Why would there be (setq package-initialized nil) in the early init file? > I could imagine there being > > (setq package-initialized t) > > OTOH, to inhibit subsequent initialization of package.el. Whoops, that was indeed what I meant to say. But I still argue that the readability is hurt, because (setq package-initialized t) is basically a lie: you're saying that package.el was initialized already, when in fact the purpose is quite possibly to ensure that package.el is *never* initialized.