From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Radon Rosborough Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Various fixes for early init file changes Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 09:36:26 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87vadsnzw5.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1521563816 31334 195.159.176.226 (20 Mar 2018 16:36:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: Andy Moreton Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 20 17:36:52 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eyKFn-0007zr-Gr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 17:36:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50595 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eyKHn-0004my-LV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:38:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35015) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eyKG6-00047D-0P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:37:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eyKG5-0003wG-BD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:37:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lf0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c07::232]:41768) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eyKG5-0003uO-2v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:37:09 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lf0-x232.google.com with SMTP id o102-v6so3548109lfg.8 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 09:37:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=p7PI6zY8OtERn+xlzCWQPckfYlAOp8MC+a9flkwJBO8=; b=filpeBRGxvzhaP7Hv+Ai5nzSCPT3kb2zBj1bXbHCRXBdlgcBHqGsExYRo2SsGpD2+n q/HyEK75gFEjZV0fmY36LgsMaS8D93/egYm9e3JZHlKfznQb6NFP9gcwbUDUQRqd8wOx eeoq/AdRL062ECO/2iVIm5+gb1lEy6/Mrkfh8tShZqw4x1KlrzPpVhE+SUs2pJ2EPvX8 N/F3jw+o1KQ8CtDNlsyGEW+GTqLj+QlhbO4ECLQkJqmKH6bgNwZxJEZDwjJuT1LpnCp3 iClGHiZt5b9GkP/NIYINWn0LIPK9jsQPSHb4xD1SF+X3Aih57AsBSXTi83ZpHE1QxA7/ d6OA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=p7PI6zY8OtERn+xlzCWQPckfYlAOp8MC+a9flkwJBO8=; b=UpfNAq2E622dgHIX5YsZlx9cBDQdvxGkvLGmBOpwQl9KB/Zj0oNabbPSUAEk8A+A2G TKrZaRmclvQtvC9ChbrKevI7tuiwCEeTWqrCgryITVAdnjqQJSA36Fyal2zqh98i61K7 EnivU1ou7Rqbfq/9sZsc4cFfKgZ4DTat2yQ3xujkQjVGnqpl1vNaP3pLZ5e/m5cuHceS bLxHZvy4YBqgZTELovMpKcmtxP0Qnri+4klZirJ6jC2PwHpZycFoNzrxNNh0DDBGu6jz WvJTiX/uepX9QY2JhVoDbjLTW6NrN6Aby2ChV+50Guq9yl0yRj/T4TNf7VykbBOelvUN ncZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7HSZLQgpG6oktHpPYoGE9+OGGgGucqQoCmvZpQZ+5SV1SmlrnOk Y9jiRbybiiAlVz6oFMpYJtmLVqDxiAhrfAHanak= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELtfhGjyw9+BcTOznIjSpHaT7IDI5TBClvJNVGmltm4EEDQ7S8JWUQS4mJwgNceFWVY/4w7vfPuTT+pTAZyID0Q= X-Received: by 10.46.1.213 with SMTP id f82mr785023lji.35.1521563827336; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 09:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 2002:a19:6514:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 09:36:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c07::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223858 Archived-At: > I cannot imagine any circumstance in which automatic deletion is > acceptable. Well, I am sympathetic to your viewpoint. However, I would qualify your statement and say that any automatic modification would be bad if there is at least one person whom it would hurt. Certainly the original insertion of (package-initialize) hurt lots of people, for example people who didn't want to use package.el. However, reversing this change has the positive impact of speeding up people's init times by as much as a factor of two in some cases, and it would *only* affect people who had the comment automatically added (so they didn't add it intentionally as part of their configuration). Can anyone think of a case in which this automatic deletion might cause a problem or be annoying?