From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Samuel El-Borai Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: RFC - cleaning up /etc Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:48:31 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20140109140226.57D6C38085A@snark.thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01538baacb8a2d04ef8ab59b X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389278941 20126 80.91.229.3 (9 Jan 2014 14:49:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 14:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: "Eric S. Raymond" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 09 15:49:09 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W1Gux-000616-Ps for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 15:49:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52388 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1Gux-0003W1-GL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 09:49:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50037) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1Guu-0003Vh-1t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 09:49:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1Gus-0004bc-Ee for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 09:49:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-oa0-x234.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c02::234]:59093) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1Gus-0004bS-8b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 09:49:02 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id o6so3470728oag.39 for ; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 06:49:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=3zXyuu8Q5mJzc+N8UdEX2MA+9DTAnKYnlLKhgIGQbSw=; b=FEdtntWlXlKsc60VeNEDDuUH1Yp021iCTP74Ih/fZi4XxbYDNdBr0DkaI+xJSuI5W3 c5HaD1AFeow8QJPW/e+ZwDnhtbzGGBnMDahxxiL7JWw3VIqOvSFbWk8mmEmOPZk01xGQ 0jHlWwdFFSFZXe71o5or8apSO5RtlACzB+2uWMpLO1rKnT6lIcuDqyNtI1lXQzIKEzs5 1TfzekM6XFkJiVd1Mqs6PPAss+4zv49TDHPofT6d1mZDt5sImkTUuOLBt/CdV/+oKRoN JpwlzrPlmx3W0cn+A9VxvM+nhgzVDagVlz1CVEAmxrLbpFG0eBLnjwZ2B+n4nYn1u4mG 4bew== X-Received: by 10.60.58.36 with SMTP id n4mr2484091oeq.51.1389278941381; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 06:49:01 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.76.75.70 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 06:48:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20140109140226.57D6C38085A@snark.thyrsus.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: tTtEVP6KxyJHnzRTjV95XLqef8k X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167914 Archived-At: --089e01538baacb8a2d04ef8ab59b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Has someone tried the cookie recipe? 2014/1/9 Eric S. Raymond > This is an issue completely orthogonal to the git transition, but > also motivated by my concern that the Emacs codebase and project raise > needless barriers to contribution. > > /etc is a mess. Over the years it's become a dumping ground for > miscellany. There are no fewer that four different files of > miscellaneous jokes! And a cookie recipe! And...stuff. > > I think this matters because newbies who try to browse it get lost. > Important things like the GNU Manifesto (yes, I agree it should > be treated as important despite my well-known disagreements with it) > are half-submerged in trivia, clutter, and files that only programs > rather than humans care about. > > I propose to fix this with a reorganization. /etc should be the data > directory for files used by Lisp and programs in the suite. The files > meant exclusively for human browsing - the jokes, the cookie recipe, > the Manifesto, the hacking guides - should move to a new directory > designated for such content. > > That directory should have a proper README of it own mapping the > content, so newbies can quickly grasp what is there and what they > might want to look at. > > Discuss. > -- > Eric S. Raymond > > "The power to tax involves the power to destroy;...the power to > destroy may defeat and render useless the power to create...." > -- Chief Justice John Marshall, 1819. > > --089e01538baacb8a2d04ef8ab59b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has someone tried the cookie recipe?
<= div class=3D"gmail_extra">

2014/1/9 Eric = S. Raymond <esr@thyrsus.com>
This is an issue completely orthogonal to th= e git transition, but
also motivated by my concern that the Emacs codebase and project raise
needless barriers to contribution.

/etc is a mess. =A0Over the years it's become a dumping ground for
miscellany. =A0There are no fewer that four different files of
miscellaneous jokes! And a cookie recipe! And...stuff.

I think this matters because newbies who try to browse it get lost.
Important things like the GNU Manifesto (yes, I agree it should
be treated as important despite my well-known disagreements with it)
are half-submerged in trivia, clutter, and files that only programs
rather than humans care about.

I propose to fix this with a reorganization. =A0/etc should be the data
directory for files used by Lisp and programs in the suite. =A0The files meant exclusively for human browsing - the jokes, the cookie recipe,
the Manifesto, the hacking guides - should move to a new directory
designated for such content.

That directory should have a proper README of it own mapping the
content, so =A0newbies can quickly grasp what is there and what they
might want to look at.

Discuss.
--
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric= S. Raymond</a>

"The power to tax involves the power to destroy;...the power to
destroy may defeat and render useless the power to create...."
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Chief Justice John Marshall, 1819.


--089e01538baacb8a2d04ef8ab59b--