From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim Cross Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:50:10 +1100 Message-ID: References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org> <83k48cxj85.fsf@gnu.org> <87aa97nghb.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318395026 29028 80.91.229.12 (12 Oct 2011 04:50:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 04:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , larsi@gnus.org, Eli Zaretskii , drew.adams@oracle.com, miles@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 12 06:50:19 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDqlm-0000L2-H2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:50:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58120 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDqll-0002BU-UJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:50:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:39255) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDqlj-0002BP-Dj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:50:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDqli-0006Yr-FL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:50:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:50647) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDqlf-0006YW-SQ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:50:11 -0400 Original-Received: by iaen33 with SMTP id n33so457417iae.0 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:50:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=z6Y/EVu45HeQKeoLrBqwYj5rgk2Em5VPArTeh7J7WBk=; b=RP8k+1PZHt47EJZOjlC+fk6v0aQD3eDOlwZkQSpNXikdTBN+NYpm7UcyFpu6cwtbqe /NAG9kx8RPqPJeHXGShvLYHvBuaMXbm3dGuf97XqyymlQgXx8LEUEqbbMq/aSqXCXe8r YqqCUfj0wm6xa4lC8CM0+PmiT4HeTEq1og5Qg= Original-Received: by 10.231.63.209 with SMTP id c17mr12462364ibi.65.1318395011006; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.231.12.67 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:50:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87aa97nghb.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144953 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80318 Archived-At: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Chong Yidong wrot= e: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> I cannot speak for Posix platforms nowadays, but I do know that almost >> every Windows box out there has its mail client set up > > Considering the increasing popularity of webmail, this may not be true > anymore. > This may be a very valid pint. I've noticed that a LOT of people are now using web based mail clients and web based mail services. This appears to be particularly common amongst less technical and younger users. I suspect it is partially because of increased mobility and the desire to have access to mail from multiple devices with minimal need for configuration etc. > Also, I don't like the argument that we should treat Windows users > differently from users on other platforms, just because they are likely > to use some proprietary mail client. =A0In that context, offering to set > up Emacs for sending email is actually good, if it encourages less > dependence on such mail clients. > > I'd prefer it if we 'converted' people based on a superior solution rather than what feels a bit too Machiavellian for my tastes :) --=20 Tim Cross Phone: 0428 212 217