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From: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>
To: John Wiegley <johnw@gnu.org>, Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc?
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:32:11 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC=50j_bOvEZQW37_MwMA+E68v1oYqQRp=kGZF69g=oo-wfPxA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2y49rfljx.fsf@newartisans.com>

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I think Drew is on the right track. Lets not over react to a gut reaction
to someone who may not have ever been an emacs user even if we did promote
the arrow keys over C-n/C-p.

Emacs has an audience/user base, but to believe that equals the set of all
people who use editors is a mistake. Some people just want a very simple
editor which is easy to use and only does basic editing - there are plenty
of these editors. These users are unlikely to ever enjoy emacs. Doing your
shopping in a formula 1 car is never going to work.

Those who need/want a more powerful editor are unlikely to be put off by
the tutorial. This doesn't mean we can't improve the tutorial. Only want to
emphasise that there is no way to please everyone and we really need to
focus on the 'real' audience, those who will benefit from what emacs can
offer over things like nano, gedit, textedit etc.

tim

On 10 March 2016 at 07:22, John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>
> > Keyboards have arrow keys. We shouldn't be talking about C-n/C-p in the
> > tutorial.
>
> As someone who never uses arrow keys, I'd argue that keyboards having arrow
> keys is not sufficient reason to avoid educating users about C-n/C-p. In
> fact,
> I use a utility on my Mac to universally bind C-n and C-p to be equivalent
> to
> arrow keys in all other apps. :)
>
> --
> John Wiegley                  GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F
> http://newartisans.com                          60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2
>
>


-- 
regards,

Tim

--
Tim Cross

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Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-09 15:38 Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-09 15:50 ` jpff
2016-03-09 15:50 ` Oleh Krehel
2016-03-09 16:03   ` Kaushal Modi
2016-03-09 18:25     ` Yuri Khan
2016-03-10 20:28       ` Alexey Veretennikov
2016-03-09 16:48   ` Drew Adams
2016-03-09 18:26     ` Yuri Khan
2016-03-09 19:05       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-09 19:07       ` Drew Adams
2016-03-09 19:21         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-10  5:48   ` Tom
2016-03-09 16:12 ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-09 16:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-09 17:11 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-03-09 20:22 ` John Wiegley
2016-03-09 21:32   ` Tim Cross [this message]
2016-03-09 21:42     ` John Wiegley
2016-03-10  0:30     ` Evgeny Panasyuk
2016-03-10  5:54       ` Tom
2016-03-10  7:12         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-10 12:49         ` Evgeny Panasyuk
2016-03-10 21:22       ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-10 21:39         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-10 22:06           ` Evgeny Panasyuk
2016-03-12  1:53             ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-10  6:46 ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-10  9:58   ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-10 10:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-10 14:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-10 15:07       ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-10 15:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-10 15:48           ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-03-10 16:16             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-10 17:47               ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-03-11 11:21         ` Filipp Gunbin
2016-03-11 11:38           ` Yuri Khan
2016-03-11 14:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-11 16:57               ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-11 17:34                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-03-11 18:11                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-11 22:00                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-12  6:51                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-12  7:17                       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-03-12 23:30                         ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-12 23:26                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-12  1:52         ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-10 23:26     ` John Wiegley
2016-03-11  2:10       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-11  8:01         ` Dani Moncayo
2016-03-13 10:54           ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2016-03-13 17:09             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-11 16:45       ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-12 19:25         ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-12 20:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-13 11:36             ` Tom
2016-03-13 16:36               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-13 17:08                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-13 17:27                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-13 18:41                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-13 19:03                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-13 19:14                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-13 20:27                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-03-14 12:16                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-14 14:14                           ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-15 15:19                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-13 19:46                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-13 20:15                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-14 12:15               ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-14 12:15             ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-14 16:33               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-12 21:34           ` John Wiegley
2016-03-12 23:33             ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-12  1:50     ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-12 19:14       ` Chad Brown
2016-03-12 21:05         ` Evgeny Panasyuk

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