From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim Cross Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Request for partecipating in the project Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 03:43:55 +1100 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000671f36059a61bc1b" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="139341"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Mario Lang , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: arthur miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 23 17:59:16 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ijR33-000a3D-Ug for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 17:59:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59006 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ijR32-0008Q7-3f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 11:59:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41880) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ijQoV-00078z-OG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 11:44:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ijQoS-0006OJ-Df for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 11:44:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ot1-x32e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::32e]:40674) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ijQoS-0006O4-3s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 11:44:08 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ot1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id w21so15009968otj.7 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 08:44:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=G18JvG0YTgRY81HXJNP+Kk5XcDNjZotIWiCRqtC9I4E=; b=B1hGyEaAt9G3LwGlJU1TtQlmjD/868W8Gq58eEwU022D4x3OMgdl5dNaCzGfeeknT6 /KLSkEa8MNIH0DcX60SuyRoF7sXhwvSrIpIIbvMko2ga2W3jm19nxBV9mw51piwLgAjj cr5cGAbAZNmAIzqwxO5saqgQjUQkToMrGwffXPZV1lGOQ4/b9dQFfJAF6Aa5Ey15C3fr YGYHBBAe51HWNsOALfFjj6vpR6kY/wxBqJtVJcAp52yKqsCQF3uSKVOIYa0mD/f3SB29 Y79X/LUNfunk+jhuToeccCAjx5KtltsRbQYeYb4e6+E5n9RK+sYS6jilMVdRNG23UGoz USdQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=G18JvG0YTgRY81HXJNP+Kk5XcDNjZotIWiCRqtC9I4E=; b=EsnFu3r4yJeaAw1MTikLeWVOO4qY4JYPfmB6exVADx39w9qOqMIHORyjMrcw0BqUfp 172aNkQlc7kNi3RZS7hWu35t6mHPHHkQKtZ6OXHsgFefAq3jpwLzz4obzg6UYPUABaFn Tu+ThVV2MLWqmY2xO+t3QwIwhBp744Vaagi5EewR5YNnPMtK36AiOZW0MPZvKNA6yFH6 EDHpn3vBLHnJ1xblahLfcCgh+RqMK/wif9ZKoSnIQaz2oK3LZ/gqltHG2bh1EcUDXVjF X1sy6UsYtECcvKgLmiCK0Y+0EaIX9AWpB96547gFuVUXMkf3BWfSdv6vJxqIbI3gdDaZ yiyQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVQrRSwFUX/cT4dCZsNiCqgrHlwZLf8qFm2/b3wpumPEPnc5xoK YvClVlMpW5ZpsWg1v9dll86qgweOLHngMxkn4Ws= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqze+/YAtEwdfrwgZO28GdKVjSi46QOJHJ81V/tnzXEAGGO8TzBtCJGexmkw7DE3QDK+x4FGE+0n3Kh5bXvPppA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:1707:: with SMTP id 7mr10859067otk.235.1577119446930; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 08:44:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:243588 Archived-At: --000000000000671f36059a61bc1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 at 03:04, arthur miller wrote: > > > > > . > > > > epub is an HTML based format. Essentially it is an archive file of HTML > and metadata. > > XML, not html. > I don't think so. Here is the listing from an epub on my system. the actual content is HTML, some of the metadata is XML. 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OEBPS/assets/menu.png -rw-r--r-- 6387 5-Feb-2018 23:13:20 OEBPS/assets/brand.png -rw-r--r-- 13198 5-Feb-2018 23:13:20 OEBPS/assets/navbar-start.png - ---------- -------- ----------- -------- --------------------------------------- 5828262 111 files > > > So the issue isn't so much whether it is > > better than HTML but more about some of > > the tools available. > > Might be that there are better applications for voice reading then Emacs, > albeit I think that your target group is already reading Emacs manual in > Emacspeak. I think I will try to set up Emacspeak for myself, have not > done it yet. > but there is no emacs on some platforms, so you cannot access it there. Emacs and emacspeak are great, but I cannot run them on my pone or tablet (and have speech support) (well to be accurate, there are things you can do, but they are complex and error prone and have ppor performance). > Anyway, I hinted that epub might not be THE best format for a reference > like API docs. I don't think that structure of chapters and especially > pages are very good structure for electronic documents, especially not for > API docs or references. Do you miss "page structure" on Wikipedia? > I have used epub and mobi based reference books and they are fine provided they are formatted correctly and have the appropriate index. There is nothing about either epub or mobi which would make them any less appropriate than any other format such as html or pdf. Howe easily texinfo can be translated into any of these formats in an acceptable manner is another question. It isn't that it cannot be done, it is a question about whether the existing translaters can handle it appropriately. > > Emacs self documentation is good and being able to lookup stuff directly > from within your Emacs is priceless, but sometimes I miss an easy overview > of the api, for example when I can't remember name of a function or > similar. > > sounds like your talking about the ELISP Reference Manual (as opposed to the Emac Manual). By the way, what kind of hardware does not have a web browser nowadays? Is > not like online Emacs manual is full of javascript and other stuff on the > edge of the web technology. > > Pretty much everything has a web browser, but it isn't necessary the best interface for some things. I find reading books with a good epub browser is much better than reading a PDF or HTML version in a web browser. More importantly, the user experience is better. > -- regards, Tim -- Tim Cross --000000000000671f36059a61bc1b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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XML, not html.

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> the tools available.=C2=A0

Might be that there are better applications for voice reading then Ema= cs, albeit I think that your target group is already reading Emacs manual i= n Emacspeak. I think I will try to set=C2=A0 up Emacspeak for myself, have = not done it yet.

but there is no emacs on some = platforms, so you cannot access it there. Emacs and emacspeak are great, bu= t I cannot run them on my pone or tablet (and have speech support) (well to= be accurate, there are things you can do, but they are complex and error p= rone and have ppor performance).

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Anyway, I hinted that epub might not be THE best format for a referenc= e like API docs. I don't think that structure of chapters and especiall= y pages are very good structure for electronic documents, especially not fo= r API docs or references. Do you miss "page structure" on Wikipedia?

I have used epub and mobi based reference books and they a= re fine provided they are formatted correctly and have the appropriate inde= x. There is nothing about either epub or mobi which would make them any les= s appropriate than any other format such as html or pdf. Howe easily texinf= o can be translated into any of these formats in an acceptable manner is an= other question. It isn't that it cannot be done, it is a question about= whether the existing translaters can handle it appropriately.

Emacs self documentation is good and being able to lookup stuff direct= ly from within your Emacs is priceless, but sometimes I miss an easy overvi= ew of the api, for example when I can't remember name of a function or = similar.=C2=A0


sounds like you= r talking about the ELISP Reference Manual (as opposed to the Emac Manual).=

By the way, what kind of hardware does not have a web browser nowadays= ? Is not like online Emacs manual is full of javascript and other stuff on = the edge of the web technology.=C2=A0


Pretty much eve= rything has a web browser, but it isn't necessary the best interface fo= r some things. I find reading books with a good epub browser is much better= than reading a PDF or HTML version in a web browser. More importantly, the= user experience is better.


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regards,

Tim=

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Tim Cross

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