From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim Cross Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Request for partecipating in the project Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 11:03:55 +1100 Message-ID: References: <87imm86mwq.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001268eb059a53c42a" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="139507"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Sam Qasbah , arthur miller , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 23 01:04:20 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ijBCt-000a9N-NR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 01:04:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51822 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ijBCs-0005E3-Jm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 19:04:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37618) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ijBCm-0005Dj-II for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 19:04:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ijBCh-0008Af-VO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 19:04:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ot1-x32d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::32d]:44287) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ijBCh-00082i-Ge for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 19:04:07 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ot1-x32d.google.com with SMTP id h9so17196427otj.11 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:04:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=V8vlJ/v3mDBwwIO7nwXpx9zIRn9zLGb0mZ5tZL4kBqQ=; b=K0nt/fCxrA71Q8y2wcODAULS+cIuIftVmQeUqtxAG/Mgx8aNbjkKCBnvAJdOrGbokm QaN8u2KibpOdjZ4KNrXGU8kXp8Nfx8CPZyevjkf8xd5kvSzy2rlctmuR1Qt5MHYrZKwu r32snwo4rb1vGuPndZ4uXerzHPcbUHvD9ODdppLwEgOgYB1EZjfpqYY+zET+ZnfSNvwi 9vr9samn4dWEi5A8WHEfux/3QYuwNF9BSyMCy5htEsifiMMwSxnUvTGpfDqSLR0SlJNE COaCiF3sxbKMmFnzij4DQt7N/B5pUqLOZlZVMJ/Wy3UmklwRPujQr1xJTTmbsQRrgAxO a0SA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=V8vlJ/v3mDBwwIO7nwXpx9zIRn9zLGb0mZ5tZL4kBqQ=; b=UBebn6AMdipUjAcMeC1k+GF2CRQ6e6KIQhreP5OdyRkSNTCYawfI2x+s6Wixj89tj7 y8w9hOI6iz0YQ4EiM5L9FglfdSRw+i1bRpuJmDctDRgNhtgMC6dQjUqT2xS+Jj03hPwl jSX40Ve6fKRwFKb+dvsxewGrNUcRRB4GNKWuxwyW5yi0o2j20oovvfryZpDk1bdeHV+O TbUAwd+6qoQjOLw+oOuEUK8ao7KHVoTT7dxL8KaDMndwpC/8QqYsaSJIKj1XmenD8auJ tW+kVSllRIMza9BsfMj3EGTdMqbGa9LrNIpDOuD7fIDVMWFWocBd0kztul1ZfhKEgxiJ 2kMA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUU/Bno1k678nzGGRftXzEe8q//Fu0eWVrmemRtVeDQkfO6JAWW soXQhfZwj1q09e1Aoy1QgGhvNLa4CmrZSFuuMgo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzlUzyah6mqQURcYkeRpcEFH0VA9SfzjxzSHdtyoSMElGAxH/ePG4X+zMPFNpMYAA93rB0yhubpm9KfAZiYgz8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:174e:: with SMTP id 14mr5140919otz.142.1577059446055; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:04:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87imm86mwq.fsf@mbork.pl> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:243573 Archived-At: --0000000000001268eb059a53c42a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is no single ebook-friendly format. Different ebook readers are better/worse with different formats (mobi, epub, etc). Therefore, we probably need to be a little more explicit when talking about ebook formats. One of the advantages of some ebook formats, such as epub, is that they can be more accessible for the blind and vision impaired than PDF or even HTML. There are at least two packages I'm aware of which will allow epub formatted books to also be read directly in Emacs. My experience with Calibre is that the quality of the output you get depends on both the quality of input (e.g. poorly structured or poorly tagged PDFs will result in poor conversion) and on the settings of Calibre itself (of which there is quite a lot). I'm not sure how well Emacs documentation will convert. My experience with PDFs generated from Latex is not good as Latex is very weak with respect to accessibility and generating modern tagged PDF documents. On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 at 09:01, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > > On 2019-12-22, at 22:38, arthur miller wrote: > > > Skickat fr=C3=A5n min Samsung Galaxy-smartphone. > > > > > >> The ebook format allows you to consult the > manual with a smartphone, > tablet or epub-> > reader. > > > > Both my smartphone and my tablet read Emacs manual perfectly fine in > html format in browser, and I am sure if I wanted to read manuals in pdf > format they would work perfectly fine too. What does epub brings that htm= l > or pdf does not? Personally I don't even like pdf. > > AFAIK, ebook readers can render HTML, but work much better with > dediacted formats. > > FWIW, I converted the Emacs manuals to an ebook-reader-friendly format > many years ago, and automatic conversion resulted in a very poor > experience. If someone volunteers to do a better job than Calibri, I'm > all for it!!! > > Best, > > -- > Marcin Borkowski > http://mbork.pl > > --=20 regards, Tim -- Tim Cross --0000000000001268eb059a53c42a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There is no single ebook-friendly format. Different e= book readers are better/worse with different formats (mobi, epub, etc). The= refore, we probably need to be a little more explicit when talking about eb= ook formats.

One of the advantages of some eb= ook formats, such as epub, is that they can be more accessible for the blin= d and vision impaired than PDF or even HTML. There are at least two package= s I'm aware of which will allow epub formatted books to also be read di= rectly in Emacs.=C2=A0

My experience with Cal= ibre is that the quality of the output you get depends on both the quality = of input (e.g. poorly structured or poorly tagged PDFs will result in poor = conversion) and on the settings of Calibre itself (of which there is quite = a lot). I'm not sure how well Emacs documentation will convert. My expe= rience with PDFs generated from Latex is not good as Latex is very weak wit= h respect to accessibility and generating modern tagged PDF documents.
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On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 at 09:01, Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl> wrote:

On 2019-12-22, at 22:38, arthur miller <arthur.miller@live.com> wrote:

> Skickat fr=C3=A5n min Samsung Galaxy-smartphone.
>
>
>> The ebook format allows you to consult the > manual with a smar= tphone, tablet or epub-> > reader.
>
> Both my smartphone and my tablet read Emacs manual perfectly fine in h= tml format in browser, and I am sure if I wanted to read manuals in pdf for= mat they would work perfectly fine too. What does epub brings that html or = pdf does not? Personally I don't even like pdf.

AFAIK, ebook readers can render HTML, but work much better with
dediacted formats.

FWIW, I converted the Emacs manuals to an ebook-reader-friendly format
many years ago, and automatic conversion resulted in a very poor
experience.=C2=A0 If someone volunteers to do a better job than Calibri, I&= #39;m
all for it!!!

Best,

--
Marcin Borkowski
http://mbo= rk.pl



--
regards,

Tim=

--
Tim Cross

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