From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim Cross Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: About implementing libre.js/el in Emacs Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 12:26:31 +1000 Message-ID: References: <791FBE67-B71F-4F80-810D-BE29B55FD10C@mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000354d3905ae0f04eb" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36935"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Qiantan Hong , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 30 04:27:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kCD3q-0009RB-6p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 04:27:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33968 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kCD3p-0001ss-87 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:27:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52264) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kCD3N-0001Tx-BN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:26:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ot1-x32a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::32a]:34360) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kCD3L-000246-HP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:26:45 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ot1-x32a.google.com with SMTP id k20so2579846otr.1 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 19:26:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RXaQ0rA6sJLjOIlWcf6AbCIT8YIaRRnqSRjbIYj+urg=; b=qsnQLbCzKOyXzSrQLmxgZ3EyzcqTo3SkG0nLxdBOxUQjsE+mGmBgBozSEnw610vRHx 9U5BgPmCovkz4X3xhRtMxP+4a07v+E9MI+6weZ2zkTCbY588jJbJveqatKnNPWVTeSsQ KlZUocy6fHR61FnfT2pY3cHJZoRPNp7czJ00ZDcBrC/tHDVkWV+Nu89aKqL2JtkWtNsH Sb22MeLTi7Hs55dnsV7YWbjr4l0dtIuC2RXrV/R9tj3xZomH+GUPDVGLQpVnJ/dbXlF5 ahRr8Jgqaca3fVpfXVVDne42rVbc8E0MyleOd+1eEwpVcK0OuqFoWOyndP8NICnuVSnC kR2g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RXaQ0rA6sJLjOIlWcf6AbCIT8YIaRRnqSRjbIYj+urg=; b=E5tmoGFk9BtuKMUBRJe9BSpK5ppVu4t6GwGVYCZJJ8nkKHTXRymcbeZSsCOqy2vdox lCtxM/phNLeqFyug0AheX5rQPaQ7/Np5NNQqK6hekNL5+qB/2TEecRSkRHxKKMNl5+6H txLUE2kXui3eMWg03YQKaRT90ZjvJK9v2Hb82tLkqojagT2BsNM6QZE0pNvbEyVxy55c 3gMldpYY3Mr8reasjR+QFxo+IDR/LHNDfr4ig5l3E3d5iuUHGewZHiEwDNtaCeIXnR1D ATpdj5HPpvHGK1OdA3JJTaJrSG+NDZxJZoclwSLtl6zYcD1LDAXcNkSx1EmfNfPcX1mj r6ZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530IUgrbEGtjYgCSbXCA9NoupQVMt0Bvol7bJpzU6P8RNOKlSYGI DlfrxtLriMld+/EmvErGqJ3sra1IdWW4W7u0tdI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzYARwQaLg49Af8gHfIrER7xWqB4TluvysjBDbbLBfbqDentGYO3FDmbk9EX6lti5sGdi56hdguowyA149Kidw= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:51c7:: with SMTP id d7mr3455476oth.56.1598754401896; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 19:26:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::32a; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-ot1-x32a.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254404 Archived-At: --000000000000354d3905ae0f04eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Just curious - in what ways is JS worse then Elisp? I agree Option 1 would give more bang for your buck - at least initially. On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 at 07:11, Paul Eggert wrote: > On 8/29/20 12:14 PM, Qiantan Hong wrote: > > Option 1, besides enabling libre.js, can also bring numerous existing > > cross-browser extensions to Emacs, if we finally support a large enough > > portion of the Web Extension API. However those extensions are > > all written in JS and JS is worse than Elisp. > > > > Option 2 might require as much work as option 1, but without the > additional > > benefit (or drawback?) of bringing other JS extensions. > > I'd suggest Option 1 as providing more bang for the buck. I think the FSF > tech > staff is looking at LibreJS; see > < > https://www.fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/coming-soon-a-new-site-for-fully-free-collaboration > >. > > -- regards, Tim -- Tim Cross --000000000000354d3905ae0f04eb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just curious - in what ways is JS worse then Elisp?=C2=A0<= div>
I agree Option 1 would give more bang for your buck - at= least initially.=C2=A0

On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 at 07:11, Paul Eggert <= ;eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
On 8/29/20 12:14 P= M, Qiantan Hong wrote:
> Option 1, besides enabling libre.js, can also bring numerous existing<= br> > cross-browser extensions to Emacs, if we finally support a large enoug= h
> portion of the Web Extension API. However those extensions are
> all written in JS and JS is worse than Elisp.
>
> Option 2 might require as much work as option 1, but without the addit= ional
> benefit (or drawback?) of bringing other JS extensions.

I'd suggest Option 1 as providing more bang for the buck. I think the F= SF tech
staff is looking at LibreJS; see
<https://ww= w.fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/coming-soon-a-new-site-for-fully-free-collaboratio= n>.



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regards,

Tim

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