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From: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>
To: "Göktuğ Kayaalp" <self@gkayaalp.com>
Cc: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Changing line widths in the Emacs source code
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 10:08:08 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC=50j8sz7Vzuc7d7B+fd8EkghrUawTOG6J8mV6zidEb=f0eGA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mu1ts756.fsf@gkayaalp.com>

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As a vision impaired coder, I prefer the 80 column width as it allows me to
have larger fonts and still see the whole line on a large monitor. However,
a more important data point might be the impact wider lines would have for
code examples and samples in blogs, ebooks and other formats. Such things
are typically formatted for reading and are usually formatted for 80
characters (or less). With longer source code lines, either smaller fonts
or re-formatting would be required.

Probably the most important data points against increased size is the
ability to display windows 'side by side' and the growth in mobile/laptop
environments, which typically have much smaller screens than desktops.

I am against this change.



On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 at 07:24, Göktuğ Kayaalp <self@gkayaalp.com> wrote:

> On 2020-09-13 23:52 +03, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
> > So, ~8 columns of indentation, which leaves ~72 columns of actual text.
> > Since most lines don't extend all the way to the 80th column, that means
> > most lines stick within the 55-60 optimum.
>
> Much less, actually:
>
> (let ((spaces '(0))
>       (line-count 1))
>   (with-current-buffer "org.el.gz"
>     (goto-char (point-min))
>     (while (not (looking-at "\\'"))
>       (push
>        (- (line-end-position)
>           (save-excursion (back-to-indentation) (point)))
>        spaces)
>       (cl-incf line-count)
>       ;; beginning of next line
>       (goto-char (1+ (line-end-position)))))
>   (message "On average %f chars per line excluding indentation (%d lines)"
>            (/ (apply #'+ spaces) (float line-count))
>            line-count))
>
> => "On average 34.588839 chars per line excluding indentation (21235
> lines)"
>
> So around a comfy 35 chars of code per line.  Also:
>
> (let ((spaces '(0))
>       (line-count 1))
>   (with-current-buffer "org.el.gz"
>     (goto-char (point-min))
>     (while (not (looking-at "\\'"))
>       (push
>        (- (line-end-position)
>           (line-beginning-position))
>        spaces)
>       (cl-incf line-count)
>       ;; beginning of next line
>       (goto-char (1+ (line-end-position)))))
>   (message "On average %f chars per line (%d lines)"
>            (/ (apply #'+ spaces) (float line-count))
>            line-count))
>
> => "On average 37.766847 chars per line (21235 lines)"
>
> Your average line is 38 chars long, indentation included.
>
> If anybody wants to replicate this, this is from a build of Emacs from
> "931b9f5953013c1e8844d0c723411b87ccfedb1a".
>
> --
> İ. Göktuğ Kayaalp / @cadadr / <https://www.gkayaalp.com/>
> pgp:   024C 30DD 597D 142B 49AC 40EB 465C D949 B101 2427
>
>

-- 
regards,

Tim

--
Tim Cross

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-14  0:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-13 13:45 Changing line widths in the Emacs source code Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-13 13:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-13 14:09   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-13 15:53     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-13 16:21       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-13 16:51         ` Yuan Fu
2020-09-13 16:58           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-13 17:55             ` Stephen Leake
2020-09-13 18:04             ` arthur miller
2020-09-13 17:34           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-09-13 17:54         ` Stephen Leake
2020-09-13 14:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-09-13 18:38   ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-09-13 20:13     ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 20:52       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13 21:23         ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-14  0:08           ` Tim Cross [this message]
2020-09-13 23:45       ` Óscar Fuentes
2020-09-14  2:23         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14  2:28           ` T.V Raman
2020-09-14  7:42             ` tomas
2020-09-14  9:59             ` Alan Third
2020-09-15  7:25     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-13 14:53 ` Daniel Martín
2020-09-13 15:01   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-13 17:23     ` Andy Moreton
2020-09-13 17:29       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-13 18:07         ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 15:09   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-13 14:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 14:57   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-13 15:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 17:15       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-13 15:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13 17:31   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13 17:34   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-16  6:42   ` jeremyb
2020-09-13 15:28 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 15:43 ` Óscar Fuentes
2020-09-13 17:07   ` Amin Bandali
2020-09-13 18:01   ` Stephen Leake
2020-09-13 18:17     ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-14  3:50 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-14 19:25 ` David Koppelman
2020-09-15  8:53 ` Lars Brinkhoff

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