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From: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>
To: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Rename `eww' to `web'
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 08:50:23 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC=50j-A1C_HuQ3yEAsxkgbWkdTFocdBnq61ZgHYzmntPfD1xQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k3l72z81.fsf@lifelogs.com>

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This is all fine, but seems to totally miss RMS' point. We can debate
default settings, type handlers etc as much as we like, but I think
Richard's point was that since we are introducing a new feature, lets make
it easier for the user by calling it someting obvious rather than the more
cryptic. Using 'eww' may be considered 'cute', but it certainly isn't
'natural'. You will have to put in real memory effort to remember that
emacs' in built support for web browsing is 'eww'. Sure, with the great
searching mechanisms of emacs, most users will be able to find this
procedure fairly easily, but surely it is better if they don't even have to
look or use any effort. This is especially relevant for a feature like this
which is unlikely to be used by a lot of people every day.

Years ago, I had a real problem remembering M-x ielm. Because I only used
this command occasionally, I was never able to remember it. Even with
apropos et al. it often took longer than necessary to get the right memory
jog. Using names which are as 'natural' and reflect purpose as much as
possible will help and certainly won't make things worse.

Tim


On 4 July 2013 05:57, Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 12:22:16 -0400 Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> GM> Ted Zlatanov wrote:
> >> in Emacs).  Most users just want to enter a URL and browse it.  So my
> >> main suggestion is to make `C-x C-f' on a URL open a web browser like
> >> `eww', or call `browse-url', or do something like that.
>
> GM> There's url-handler-mode.
>
> Yes, something like it should be the default, if it can call `eww' when
> libxml is available and just get the URL contents otherwise.
>
> Ted
>
>
>


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Tim Cross

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-03 22:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-29 14:26 Rename `eww' to `web' Richard Stallman
2013-06-29 15:33 ` Daimrod
2013-06-29 20:30   ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30  1:45     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-30  2:35       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-29 23:20   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-30  5:49 ` Jambunathan K
2013-06-30 13:40   ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-01 12:57     ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-03  8:29       ` Miles Bader
2013-07-03 16:09         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-03 16:22           ` Glenn Morris
2013-07-03 19:57             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-03 22:50               ` Tim Cross [this message]
2013-07-04  0:24                 ` Drew Adams
2013-07-04  1:43                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-04  1:58                     ` chad
2013-07-04  5:11                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-07-04 15:09                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-04 23:36                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04  3:16                     ` Drew Adams
2013-07-04 23:36                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-05  2:19                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04 18:49                 ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04 19:15                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-04 21:08                     ` Mathias Dahl
2013-07-04 21:58                       ` Drew Adams
2013-07-05  2:50                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04 22:41                     ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-04 23:45                       ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-05 23:41                         ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-05 23:59                           ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-06  3:26                             ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-04 23:40                     ` Glenn Morris
2013-07-05  1:14                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 10:23                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 11:50                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 12:59                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 22:38                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 23:37                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-06  0:44                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 23:29                             ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-05 23:43                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 23:55                                 ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-06  0:11                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-06  0:42                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-06 22:00                                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-05  0:04                     ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-05  5:37                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-05 17:19                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-07  0:24                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-07  0:55                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-04 22:53                   ` Josh
2013-07-05 17:20                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04  0:06           ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04  1:51             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-04  7:30               ` Andreas Schwab
2013-07-04  2:09             ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2013-07-04  2:17               ` Glenn Morris
2013-07-04  3:44                 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2013-07-04  4:10                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04  4:48                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-07-05  3:23                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04  9:55                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-04 15:04                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-05 11:02                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 18:03                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-06  0:14                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-06  4:28                               ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-06  5:28                                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-06  9:31                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-04 14:28                     ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2013-07-04 15:08                       ` Stephen Berman
2013-07-04 22:35                         ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-06 20:02                           ` Stephen Berman
2013-07-05  3:04                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04 23:36                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04 15:08                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-06 15:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found] <<E1Usw6G-0001Et-0A@fencepost.gnu.org>
2013-06-29 15:05 ` Drew Adams
2013-06-29 15:15   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-06-29 20:30     ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-29 20:45       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-06-29 21:33       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-29 21:42         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-06-29 21:48           ` Bastien
2013-06-29 23:01             ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-30  6:36               ` Bastien
2013-06-30 10:30                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-06-30  2:49             ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30  2:49         ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30  3:01           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-30 13:40             ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30 15:26               ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-30 17:53                 ` chad
2013-06-30 18:21                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-06-30 19:04                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-30  5:54         ` Jambunathan K
2013-06-29 23:30       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-30  7:56         ` Jan Djärv
2013-06-30  9:18           ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-30 10:04             ` Jan Djärv
2013-07-01  2:03     ` Miles Bader
2013-06-29 20:30   ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-29 20:52     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-06-30  2:49       ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]   ` <<E1Ut1mo-0004ns-A6@fencepost.gnu.org>
2013-06-29 20:40     ` Drew Adams
2013-06-30  2:49       ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]       ` <<E1Ut7hQ-0000Eq-Tt@fencepost.gnu.org>
2013-06-30  3:23         ` Drew Adams
2013-06-30 13:40           ` Richard Stallman

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