From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philipp Stephani Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Dynamic loading progress Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:25:30 +0000 Message-ID: References: <55DB7C3D.4090106@cs.ucla.edu> <55DE75FD.8020308@cs.ucla.edu> <55F5DD8C.70506@dancol.org> <55F62C16.4000105@dancol.org> <55F64F04.9030002@dancol.org> <55F6E43E.9030502@dancol.org> <55F70C4E.8030805@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfcec4a5a689e0520d04f5e X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443484351 1228 80.91.229.3 (28 Sep 2015 23:52:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 23:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien_Aptel?= , Stephen Leake , Paul Eggert , Tom Tromey , Emacs development discussions To: Stefan Monnier , Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 29 01:52:29 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZgiDb-00037Z-Eg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 01:52:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42816 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZgiDa-0005xe-TZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 19:52:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35453) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZgaJB-0001vL-GT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 11:25:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZgaJA-0002kB-R6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 11:25:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x230.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]:33381) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZgaJA-0002j8-Le for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 11:25:40 -0400 Original-Received: by wiclk2 with SMTP id lk2so110711587wic.0 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 08:25:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=67rJkz2Jk98Y1NSMLfS+rB91kKt2rQsADQ5HpbMfscE=; b=Mt+l4RgeCRVmXAtaOoYva0iZpxGcqz5+m6oiHe+HGQsTZqo2vM/DeOphp54xfiOLho pxkdTbIEbCpVC0dKqFor7Tz+Jot3ou3qsF+VieNDhT2KJblR2dDtPaoPagOt+AVXoCTj 0yOvzoS+/k3uHG5cqQLG12WqYUTUl51UcpIhYEVSRKCPyVIyNtLxJ/uq+bgeT9pjAyxk xnorhL8dJQZp03S0adLPznW1gGwiq60O78LFlmJYhOQKWkxCSOoXrWykrBD1NraKmaJU qI4xycLop1EYjLLsl+96V7WrELIifQNTlIMyGXOKYKAhNpiCt46HuD3iCRx/cuzpxjmJ H4vQ== X-Received: by 10.194.77.77 with SMTP id q13mr25843397wjw.79.1443453940162; Mon, 28 Sep 2015 08:25:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190444 Archived-At: --047d7bfcec4a5a689e0520d04f5e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Stefan Monnier schrieb am Di., 15. Sep. 2015 um 02:55 Uhr: > Just, FWIW we can keep talking about it, but my opinion is quite firmly > made. I want the first API to provide access to the "naked" primitives > with no condition-case wrapping. > > This is wrong and dangerous. It makes dynamic loading far less useful than it could be. Essentially modules e.g. written in C++ will have to consist of a small C shim that makes IPC calls to some out-of-process server. --047d7bfcec4a5a689e0520d04f5e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Stefan= Monnier <monnier@iro.umontr= eal.ca> schrieb am Di., 15. Sep. 2015 um 02:55=C2=A0Uhr:
Just, FWIW we can keep talking about it, but m= y opinion is quite firmly
made.=C2=A0 I want the first API to provide access to the "naked"= primitives
with no condition-case wrapping.


This is wrong and dangerous. It makes dyna= mic loading far less useful than it could be. Essentially modules e.g. writ= ten in C++ will have to consist of a small C shim that makes IPC calls to s= ome out-of-process server.
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