From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philipp Stephani Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Oddities with dynamic modules Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 21:04:07 +0100 Message-ID: References: <83y3b4wdw9.fsf@gnu.org> <83tvhal45r.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="226265"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Emacs developers To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 21 21:13:42 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1h744M-000wlc-8d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Mar 2019 21:13:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46188 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h744L-0007mG-53 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:13:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38101) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h742r-0007Qk-Bj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:12:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h73vf-0003vU-HQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:04:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ot1-x32f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::32f]:41304) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h73vd-0002j7-MF; Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:04:41 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ot1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id 64so2008947otb.8; Thu, 21 Mar 2019 13:04:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LLRWUZcGrtnoLAVPdfumlPQwreblM0vZQNJRnSAaBDc=; b=E8376wKKZVtYVvs8T3BoC7TWQ5EuXs4SnhcDAXqGKZIkUBZiOjUgxUkvbgl8cvmQjr HAmoP+SMO6AUEddEtNkmbh0Mmbc6rs7PC/6s5Z1/BlJhh4cEXcrmH7Mc8KdBAxmYMz72 ej6C3VrefRio8eZmfUPap0C16XWJtP9a45qp8xZut1IQIEsNFl6rvztRH8Vx360N/nYG 1cgAabmQSQhFzxDTCKTR8RckqQODNnnC5mZv4h9QRa6NOx3rM8BERGJsB9Qe4+SNOPKw jOmf793NCdH2AznO4Nv+PDpu822W3MCQrWolVvacVtS9+gZFPDYEk7MjA/f9gAkH1FXQ OFKw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LLRWUZcGrtnoLAVPdfumlPQwreblM0vZQNJRnSAaBDc=; b=RPyjhHpT0IZAK7yNSSvYsIw+781AzT3FbPD7sq1D4QvEqB19f9l3h2hMIh5zypHcqE YTmOtCja9PY1cksBYucn/Rqr1A9BLIegUiuRtqyen3OuNJD41I3hqfDpUOcCmD8jGyuK tKnm7K4PmLkhfP+n7JtySuInH3wm/V3dZksFb5bnm44Utq96AuL+n0mZ/INtJJ+V8uRL /1uYqQfoXZpNAsj3qYJZL3AMtFDa3/AX+/N4vdnX4QR82wTu4mHUCmbl+cMKTogmbDvG XUCNYiHqklEA885rpNBprjLxgjgBvzXOoByNdID9B54WD9fiOepkq6EFJdFIMCMDSWrO j1kg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW9pg5874kok9WPmkWtHCJOSODJprbhbrgwyhhasEtkm4OZvRYo uv8D4bd3amNZ7MQymAnGKRZjRYRURIZb8qUdH8P0Qw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw7rgG2LCjS1/0FMGiNRSLlIA023d1c36mpzjX4AiGrfyVpbRveRk1GaFU+Z8OJGbTtMp3tn5ZiVe4NoMsyBe0= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:62c8:: with SMTP id z8mr3934649otk.144.1553198658457; Thu, 21 Mar 2019 13:04:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:234478 Archived-At: Am Mo., 11. Feb. 2019 um 17:04 Uhr schrieb Yuri Khan : > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:46 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > Convenience is not a design goal of the module API. The primary design > > > goals are robustness, stability, simplicity, and minimalism. > > > > I thought simplicity and convenience of use tramps simplicity of the > > implementation, so it is strange to read arguments to the contrary. > > IME, inconvenient interfaces are the main reason for them being > > unstable, but that's me. > > A good middle ground is a minimalistic (but sufficient) API at the > host side, plus idiomatic convenience wrapper libraries for each > client language. (The latter need not be maintained by the host API > maintainer.) Yes, that's exactly what Daniel suggested in his initial design. It's also what largely seems to be happening: people have written idiomatic wrappers for Rust, Go, and probably other languages. Thus I'd say this is working as inteded.