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From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
To: Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Opportunistic GC
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 17:14:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAArVCkQA2b-DigPJ4ZfMpETr+tRRAjLF4kNMGxSyOa7wLofF_w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xjf1rcpy754.fsf@sdf.org>

Am Mo., 8. März 2021 um 16:53 Uhr schrieb Andrea Corallo via Emacs
development discussions. <emacs-devel@gnu.org>:
>
> Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 2:01 PM Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org> wrote:
> >> Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 3:37 AM Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
> >> >> I've been running with the code below recently to try and see if
> >> >> opportunistic GC can be worth the trouble.
> >> >
> >> > Just a random idea: What if we exploit the fact most people have more
> >> > than one CPU core these days, garbage-collect in a separate fork()ed
> >> > process, then do only the sweeping in the main process?
> >>
> >> It's an interesting concept, I thought about something similar in the
> >> past but, I've two questions:
> >>
> >> Are we really sure that a non trivial process can long survive
> >> or work as expected after being forked?
> >
> > I believe that, on all systems where bash works, we can expect fork()
> > to behave.
>
> I also expect fork will work, I'm more wondering about interaction with
> sockets file descriptors or anything else in our codebase and/or in
> libraries we have loaded.
>
> I've read in the past this is an issue in practice in non trivial code
> and that, because the typical use of fork () nowadays is just to run
> afterward exec (), operating in the grey between the two was not really
> a good idea.  But I don't have the reference now and if you say it works
> I've no reasons not to trust you.

The restriction is that you can only call async-signal-safe functions
in subprocesses before exec. See e.g. the man page for fork on
GNU/Linux.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-08 16:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-08  3:35 Opportunistic GC Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08  7:20 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08  8:26   ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08  9:02     ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08  9:51       ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08 10:44         ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 11:37           ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08 12:27             ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 18:06               ` martin rudalics
2021-03-08 18:24                 ` Concurrent GC via fork (was: Opportunistic GC) Stefan Monnier
2021-03-09  8:10                   ` Concurrent GC via fork martin rudalics
2021-03-10 20:35                 ` Opportunistic GC Pip Cet
2021-03-08 11:38           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-08 12:55             ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 14:06             ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 14:49           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 15:02             ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 15:23               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 15:39                 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 16:27                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 16:35                     ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 17:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 15:46               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 16:11                 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 16:37                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 14:01   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 15:04     ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 15:50       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 15:52       ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 16:14         ` Philipp Stephani [this message]
2021-03-08 16:18           ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-08 16:40             ` Philipp Stephani
2021-03-08 16:44         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 17:13           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-10 20:25             ` Pip Cet
2021-03-10 20:48               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11  7:55                 ` Pip Cet
2021-03-11  8:37                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11  9:03                     ` Pip Cet
2021-03-11  9:34                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 10:11                         ` Pip Cet
2021-03-11 11:35                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-09  6:22           ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-09  8:11             ` Pip Cet
2021-03-10  5:52               ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-08 14:45   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 14:57     ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 15:16       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-09 13:01       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-10 20:21         ` Pip Cet
2021-03-10 20:41           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11  8:06             ` Pip Cet
2021-03-11  9:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-08 16:03   ` Concurrent GC via `fork` (was: Opportunistic GC) Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 16:25     ` Pip Cet
2021-03-08 17:37       ` Concurrent GC via `fork` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-08 19:21       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-10 17:18   ` Opportunistic GC Matt Armstrong
2021-03-10 19:38     ` Pip Cet
2022-07-05  1:47   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-05 13:49     ` T.V Raman

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