From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philipp Stephani Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH PING] Honor 'SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH' when generating autoloads. Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 19:00:27 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87k2ph3mgx.fsf@gnu.org> <87io4lnkyz.fsf@gnu.org> <83mvtwoktg.fsf@gnu.org> <878u5gkakj.fsf@gnu.org> <83a8pwoesc.fsf@gnu.org> <87two3475d.fsf@gnu.org> <5665D6B9.4030309@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114b07d4f2e7c3052653786a X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1449514860 2111 80.91.229.3 (7 Dec 2015 19:01:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 19:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: alezost@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert , =?UTF-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 07 20:00:59 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a611v-0000WU-Es for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 20:00:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56058 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a611u-0005NY-TE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 14:00:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41754) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a611e-0005NH-0H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 14:00:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a611c-0005la-Qk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 14:00:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wm0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::232]:35194) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a611Z-0005ki-Et; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 14:00:37 -0500 Original-Received: by wmuu63 with SMTP id u63so153182463wmu.0; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 11:00:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=j5Mn1Bjd1rC7XNeIuFrUYsjWFA7nhT8WUI9oxVAiYJ8=; b=Ea+JyoGV2oKKxDlRPrIQ9GRZpsawcLdP6N3Riy9IEKUQPr817dz3VFp5KbCkOU7fES ToyFSs6HY6jJCulaAkoubw89aUUI82WVk4Th7E8rBamdeNxCl8VQSuQ1XmAwnXpDTvH6 Lv8i8oETyXSk6HsmK6X8500yJcpXPx196DkoKpp/hf4/uSRgDZToB9A/DVS4QWYFcmKw tv5DJMoihBbmIUeJ1hG5sfm0YCKdBn35q2JZlBG6j4qjN/S4MPSIyVoD9xTZGb++Vy16 Be/Oc4IHU/BA0FCpRroosio+mVWPZPyGzgl54ghg7OcbjTAXwEtuzpveh1+NgysiaRah k+Yg== X-Received: by 10.28.187.4 with SMTP id l4mr22598325wmf.33.1449514836877; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 11:00:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5665D6B9.4030309@cs.ucla.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:195966 Archived-At: --001a114b07d4f2e7c3052653786a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Paul Eggert schrieb am Mo., 7. Dez. 2015 um 19:58 Uhr: > On 12/07/2015 10:36 AM, Philipp Stephani wrote: > > As a rough sketch, Emacs could be made to detect an environment > > variable such as EMACS_DETERMINISTIC_BUILD, causing various code paths > > in the core and in the Elisp files to become deterministic. Would that > > be feasible? > > Let's just fix Emacs so that its builds are deterministic. Long ago > perhaps there was a good reason to put cruft like hostnames into build > products, but those days are gone. > I don't disagree, but such things are shown very prominently (e.g. in the C-h C-a about screen), so this would be a rather big change. --001a114b07d4f2e7c3052653786a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Paul E= ggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> = schrieb am Mo., 7. Dez. 2015 um 19:58=C2=A0Uhr:
On 12/07/2015 10:36 AM, Philipp Stephani wrote:
> As a rough sketch, Emacs could be made to detect an environment
> variable such as EMACS_DETERMINISTIC_BUILD, causing various code paths=
> in the core and in the Elisp files to become deterministic. Would that=
> be feasible?

Let's just fix Emacs so that its builds are deterministic. Long ago
perhaps there was a good reason to put cruft like hostnames into build
products, but those days are gone.

I do= n't disagree, but such things are shown very prominently (e.g. in the C= -h C-a about screen), so this would be a rather big change.=C2=A0
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