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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:301757 Archived-At: --00000000000001bb9105f057b06d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 3:22 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Our policy and practice was since long ago that any package which is > always or almost always loaded at startup without any user say-so, > should be preloaded, since not doing that makes very little sense. We don't have precise metrics for "always or almost always loaded at startup", I think. But cl-lib is unconditionally required by 191 files under lisp/, right now. Including things like desktop, help-fns, help-mode, kmacro, imenu, tab-line and package, among many others. And of course vc, Calc and Org. And use-package, which will perhaps become the de facto way to customize their .emacs for many people. --00000000000001bb9105f057b06d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 3:22 PM Eli Zarets= kii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
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> Our policy and practice was since long ago that any packag= e which is
> always or almost always loaded at startup without any us= er say-so,
> should be preloaded, since not doing that makes very lit= tle sense.
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We don't have precise m= etrics for "always or almost always loaded at startup", I think.<= br>
But cl-lib is unconditionally required by 191 files under lisp/, rig= ht now. Including things like
desktop, help-fns, help-mode, kmacro, imen= u, tab-line and package, among many others.
And of course vc, Calc and O= rg. And use-package, which will perhaps become the de facto
way to custo= mize their .emacs for many people.

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