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From: Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 20:01:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAdUY-Lfaz1=333pFOZdDiND4RE7R0cJEQ3nN76=qTnB4k11zQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)

On the "Customizable modes..." thread I suggested we run
(package-initialize) sooner than the way it's currently done. Right
now, it's called after loading the init file. Which means any user who
tries to customize an installed package by pasting some code into his
init file will be confronted with errors.
This happens A LOT.

Stefan kindly explains why it can't just be done before loading the init file:
> [...] the user may need/want to run some Elisp
> code of his own choosing *before* package-initialize is called.
> E.g. [...] set package-load-list and package-directory-list

But I'm asking that we try a little harder to find a better solution.
This package.el-induced "cannot find load file" error is the most
predominant issue I see people run into in the wild. Some people file
issues for this stuff on github (and waste developer time), others go
to the relevant forums, and others (I can only imagine) probably just
give up on configuring packages (or give up Emacs!) entirely.

So I hope we can try to converge on an actual solution instead of just
resigning to something that harms the majority of the users. I propose
here a couple of suggestions which still preserve the use-case outline
by Stefan, and I'm perfectly open to other ideas.
Even if we can't find an ideal solution, try to keep in mind how
absurdly unideal the current situation is.

Option 1) Check if the file `~/.emacs,d/.package-delay-init' exists.
If it does, just do it the way we currently do. If it doesn't exist,
do package-initialize first and then load the init-file. This
`.package-delay-init' file is not loaded, Emacs would only check if it
exists.

Option 2) Instead of us manually telling users to add
`(package-initialize)' to their init-files, we have Emacs do that
automatically. Similar to how `custom.el' adds a call to
`custom-set-variables' the first time you save a variable; package.el
could add a call to `package-initialize' the first time you install a
package. This would be a one-time-thing (and would take some
intelligent coding to prevent annoyiances).

Thank you all,
Artur



             reply	other threads:[~2015-03-30 19:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-30 19:01 Artur Malabarba [this message]
2015-03-30 20:44 ` Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization Stefan Monnier
2015-03-31 10:52   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-03-31 12:34     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-18 10:46   ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-03-31  8:53 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 10:55   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-03-31 12:29   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-31 12:48     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-03-31 13:19     ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 13:47       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 14:03         ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 14:56           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-01  6:04             ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 14:51 ` Sebastian Wiesner
2015-03-31 15:40   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-03-31 20:46   ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-04-11 23:10 Vasilij Schneidermann
2015-04-12  1:00 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 16:46   ` Mark Oteiza
2015-04-12 19:43     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 20:05       ` Mark Oteiza
2015-04-12 20:28         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12  3:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-12  9:58   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 12:02     ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]   ` <20150412082125.GA490@odonien>
2015-04-12 10:07     ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2015-04-12 10:28       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 12:09 Jorgen Schäfer
2015-04-12 14:26 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 14:45   ` Jorgen Schäfer
2015-04-12 20:46     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-12 14:40 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2015-04-12 16:23   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 20:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-12 21:02   ` Jorgen Schäfer
2015-04-12 23:22     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-13 22:52       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-13 22:49     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 12:25 Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 13:32 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 14:24   ` Nic Ferrier
2015-04-18 15:16     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 17:35       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:25         ` Nic Ferrier
2015-04-18 18:48           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 15:11   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 17:16   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-18 17:56     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-18 18:16       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 18:32         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-19  0:24           ` Drew Adams
2015-04-19  0:38             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:24       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:32         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-19  8:19           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:04     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 18:23       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-19  3:07       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-19  6:44       ` Philipp Stephani
2015-04-19  8:11         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 22:37     ` chad
2015-04-19  6:40     ` Philipp Stephani
2015-04-19  8:04       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-20  0:43         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20  7:54           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-20 12:42             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20 14:31               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-20 16:01                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-20 17:29                   ` chad
2015-04-20 18:38                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-20 19:40                       ` chad
2015-04-20 19:07                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20 15:19               ` Mark Oteiza
2015-04-27  9:52               ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-27 11:03                 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-27 14:01                   ` Drew Adams
2015-04-27 12:32                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-27 14:10                   ` Drew Adams
2015-04-27 14:15                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-27 14:36                   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-27 12:46                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-27 13:43                   ` Andy Moreton
2015-04-27 15:46                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28 10:11                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-28  7:25                     ` Oleh Krehel
2015-04-28  7:39                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-28  7:42                         ` Oleh Krehel
2015-04-28 14:54                           ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-04-28 16:46                             ` Drew Adams
2015-04-28 17:29                               ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-04-28 18:52                                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-29  1:20                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28 15:32                           ` raman
2015-04-29  8:25                           ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-28 15:26                       ` raman
2015-04-27 14:13                   ` Drew Adams
2015-04-27 14:46                   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-27 15:15                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-27 15:52                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28  0:30                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-04-29  8:01                       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-29 13:09                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28  0:25                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull

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