From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Artur Malabarba Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs author stats Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 23:33:05 +0100 Message-ID: References: <83wq12zqd9.fsf@gnu.org> <83pp6uzkkc.fsf@gnu.org> <55394F1B.5060201@yandex.ru> <83mw1yzjua.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3515200259505146bdd4c X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429828406 21620 80.91.229.3 (23 Apr 2015 22:33:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 22:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , Dmitry Gutov , emacs-devel To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 24 00:33:25 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YlPgR-0006Ic-Le for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 00:33:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42172 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YlPgR-0004dc-3C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:33:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52223) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YlPgJ-0004Vz-Nw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:33:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YlPgF-0004EM-Qz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:33:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x235.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::235]:34546) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YlPgA-0004DR-D7; Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:33:06 -0400 Original-Received: by lbcga7 with SMTP id ga7so23805347lbc.1; Thu, 23 Apr 2015 15:33:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=TipD5dlZftdyl4HE5YjovOUidAz9g5HGdlL5CqBNnYU=; b=FCW3UBFVEH5vcLsmi03SCdfEclbJzyiBIpft7wpFB4C4FvPbE6URRuDb/u5V3SRcTm GHOyRI97muZoMMm8m1NVkrSMuJjCeG8IvMuj9t/LFbmt42fBA6Gc9R71pji/Kez6Kjsd a3tlVFB7umHukew6A+kU2tGHTrNKmk3nTPRedE73Mhu3PWIua+seEtOr4Q5+6mH0CDFj MlYUOGNJIqrY4W47KZeza0ywzII+e5anxgH6mBN1Wl2cNH+vYdL/Wjio7Loa3TXTw4Tw TCvDvPxAY7Ncslhg/QLcXEuZS74KZSuxJ5UwatlVvbkMo3f7lQ+hIaIe4gpQfXK2AipD ZYYw== X-Received: by 10.152.43.110 with SMTP id v14mr4380748lal.4.1429828385382; Thu, 23 Apr 2015 15:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.150.1 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Apr 2015 15:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.150.1 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Apr 2015 15:33:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83mw1yzjua.fsf@gnu.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: TndZLWCXwBneQFPNbPAD10NwT_A X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c04::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185844 Archived-At: --001a11c3515200259505146bdd4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Fair enough. On Apr 23, 2015 10:10 PM, "Eli Zaretskii" wrote: > > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 22:59:23 +0300 > > From: Dmitry Gutov > > CC: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > On 04/23/2015 10:55 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > >> Either way, I think the relevant metric is precisely the number of > > >> *committers*. > > > > > > Not for us, no. Committers don't write code, they just commit. What > > > we need is more active developers, i.e. authors. > > > > Of course we do, but people who just send patches are much less affected > > by the choice of the VCS. > > That's not what we were told when this issue came up in the past. To > send a patch, you need to clone the repository, develop and test the > patch, send it for review, update it several times according to > comments, rebase it as master gets new commits, etc. All of which > involves the VCS, and so many people said they will not consider > becoming contributors unless we switched to Git. > > --001a11c3515200259505146bdd4c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Fair enough.

On Apr 23, 2015 10:10 PM, "Eli Zaretskii&qu= ot; <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015= 22:59:23 +0300
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yand= ex.ru>
> CC: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> On 04/23/2015 10:55 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> >> Either way, I think the relevant metric is precisely the numb= er of
> >> *committers*.
> >
> > Not for us, no.=C2=A0 Committers don't write code, they just = commit.=C2=A0 What
> > we need is more active developers, i.e. authors.
>
> Of course we do, but people who just send patches are much less affect= ed
> by the choice of the VCS.

That's not what we were told when this issue came up in the past.=C2=A0= To
send a patch, you need to clone the repository, develop and test the
patch, send it for review, update it several times according to
comments, rebase it as master gets new commits, etc.=C2=A0 All of which
involves the VCS, and so many people said they will not consider
becoming contributors unless we switched to Git.

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