From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Artur Malabarba Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 19:42:33 +0100 Message-ID: References: <560CCEBA.9080607@online.de> <874miapdhs.fsf@openmailbox.org> <87pp0yktyx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <22029.59130.54156.957525@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87io6pnujl.fsf@red-bean.com> <874mi840si.fsf@wanadoo.es> <561034C3.2060101@cumego.com> <838u7j2lq0.fsf@gnu.org> <5610CF32.6080701@cumego.com> <83vban14y5.fsf@gnu.org> <56144409.5070501@cumego.com> <83k2qyem18.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444243378 30288 80.91.229.3 (7 Oct 2015 18:42:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 18:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel To: "Malk'Zameth" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 07 20:42:53 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zjtfw-0004k2-PY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 20:42:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59024 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zjtfv-0007rU-Vh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 14:42:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54958) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zjtfg-0007rK-Jr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 14:42:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zjtff-00061T-NK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 14:42:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::232]:35272) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zjtfe-00060R-39; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 14:42:34 -0400 Original-Received: by lbwr8 with SMTP id r8so21517825lbw.2; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:42:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xYo0DElwV5Ketb45NE9km7lwHAWZjpOVehI6yaCb8QE=; b=fLLPH0uZXBponlQQJZjkpaAb/S+4Btl8exHnfxMniQezfV5G/ObMXxDdW/w/xoqgVe unI9rdaCeko9sz9kS3pFJHPqbJlwTYeOcuMbm+ue4v1RPttYx51w2UTwrTXrVf2DvG0B RwTSFqI8Big4RZK8efDaWBZ0/eMgtCiHrf+HzJhf1KydtcnkFYXMj/fs7ubOhQ62KIzd Js7OW9oCr+lN2p2DplwFKvgk/UMYTeXZk3YtPA545IZlsxi4YCgvLYBG1NoT3ieGTnBu +sS9k+3hL+Ba7BrANkBSKDD+lwCKFShtiAdHh1bQLh1TumB05KKxpaH+Z5672FsEGE82 XkLA== X-Received: by 10.112.184.137 with SMTP id eu9mr1459157lbc.21.1444243353316; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.27.78 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 11:42:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1I2oO0ULdzmFy_AigO9gnlLlb_o X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c04::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191057 Archived-At: I'm not going to dive into GCC/Clang discussion, but I think I can answer your questions. 2015-10-07 17:47 GMT+01:00 Malk'Zameth wrote: > 1 - the GCCvsClang issue touches features of Emacs itself (impacting 100% of > Emacsers) or just people using GCC/Clang for dev? IIUC, People using GCC/Clang. > 2 - If the latter: If we where to move CC-mode from the emacs core to Elpa > would that cut the debate from the core Emacs point of view? No. GNU Elpa is part of Emacs in pretty much every sense. It's not (currently) bundled in the tarball, but other than that it _is_ Emacs (and is bound by all the same rules). > we have an amazing module/package system now right? And probably the C devs > are no longer the majority ? I have no numbers, but my guess is that no single language holds the majority of the Emacs user base. Emacs has a pretty wide spread from what I can tell. But, given my answer above, this is besides the point. :-) > 3 - On more abstract level: If we where, hypothetically, to slim down the > Core Emacs as much as possible and rely heavily on the packaging system > itself: what contention points between Freedom and Technical Evolution would > remain on the core itself? Don't know, but it's besides the point again. Any contention points moved to Elpa would still be contention points.