From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Artur Malabarba Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ELPA policy Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:08:34 +0000 Message-ID: References: <563ABD66.6070700@yandex.ru> <563AC64E.9060105@yandex.ru> Reply-To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1446714538 11271 80.91.229.3 (5 Nov 2015 09:08:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ted Zlatanov , emacs-devel To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 05 10:08:52 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuGXM-0005wq-2D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 10:08:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59223 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuGXL-000329-GJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 04:08:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54107) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuGX6-00031t-N5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 04:08:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuGX5-0006pn-Qh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 04:08:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x234.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::234]:35517) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZuGX5-0006pX-JU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 04:08:35 -0500 Original-Received: by lbbes7 with SMTP id es7so30669973lbb.2 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:08:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7CB4P1S4xnYAfHXiPxbtsW3MGeq6RH2Jrs9t78g8FhI=; b=Mm0VArNhnYv46pG0UaaUgaL9ljSfHiVdl65X4LMew8hG9HHSbAcOlCfeg9lQaqtSSj WYA+LRajZ4P83pIVJRB6eDFl62ZoSTjY+64b9EoPysWfrCMmpJ1wMveV0CjpztPm2VLA B1OxehYm7asLNhgtnEOFmJFCaLtixUkcRsYlPvZvzsUwbQ6Soq4YNyjqigOl2wNvn2Pz g77RYz6loScJVtkIWTygHlUbSQTlfSdwkCU9Sg4oA9VuoTnosY3ZvWCgsSilWnsx35u/ ZnhnSyhR/Nq9dn34gIlrY9OiHHObZdsT+VQLaG8nh/mUszrK+rTRINT7xHGmVHi8zxwM q7Ww== X-Received: by 10.112.135.233 with SMTP id pv9mr3276803lbb.42.1446714514829; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:08:34 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.112.63.70 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Nov 2015 01:08:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <563AC64E.9060105@yandex.ru> X-Google-Sender-Auth: PoMyvxz3jvYJWMWH6FQTo7KZ6Vc X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c04::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193277 Archived-At: 2015-11-05 3:00 GMT+00:00 Dmitry Gutov : > On 11/05/2015 04:41 AM, John Wiegley wrote: > >> An exception to this rule is when a certain service (say, streams) should >> always be available, without requiring further installation of libraries. >> Emacs acts as a sort of "standard library" for Emacs Lisp, so the same >> kinds >> of things we'd like to have in such a meta-library, should be in core. > > > Why not consider ELPA a part of the "standard library", too? > >[...] > When the core starts using it, sure, we can move it there. I agree in a general sense. But case-by-case discretion will have to be applied. > The > criteria for applications to include them might be that Emacs has dedicated > menu items, or uses the application's commands in some global bindings > (that's why xref, for example, can't be moved to ELPA). IMO, xref can't be moved to Gelpa because users expect this "find definition" functionality out-of-the box. By which I don't mean "Emacs users have come to expect it", I mean "users coming to Emacs will expect it".