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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c03::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187577 Archived-At: > It's not a separate topic if we are now discussing whether to > indicate char folding in the mode-line etc. Whether char-folding is on or off (and how to indicate that) is orthogonal to which char-folding table the user uses. That is, unless you or someone else plans on implementing the possibility of combining tables and toggling them individually (which we don't support yet). >> True, and which equivalence classes to offer is a whole new topic >> all by itself. But the implementation is there now, all it takes >> it to offer more tables for it. > > OK, you keep advertising that. Ahn... do you realise that you replied twice to the same email? > But it is irrelevant to the > discussion of whether to indicate char folding in the mode-line. > How we do char folding doesn't matter in this context. > What is relevant is that multiple kinds of char folding mean that > it makes little sense to try to indicate them in the mode-line. > > IOW, we should not even think about going down that road, So you don't want to implement a simple visual indicator, because this indicator might become harder to implement in the future when we *might* have multiple tables that can be independently applied? (which no one has offered to do yet, btw) > unless > someone has a brilliant idea of how to handle a plethora of char > foldings. Well, if we ever even reach that situation: - If no char-folding tables are in use, the indicator will be off. - If more than zero char-folding tables are in use, the indicator will be on. I wouldn't call it brilliant (and please let's not go off on a tangent discussing the (de)merits of this idea), I'm just saying we don't need to block this feature now because of the future possibility of multiple independent char-folding tables.