From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Artur Malabarba Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rationalising c[ad]\{2,5\}r. Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:15:50 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20150311214324.GA2952@acm.fritz.box> <87twxq6dgj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01419d1a0bf0ba051114abae X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1426155362 13645 80.91.229.3 (12 Mar 2015 10:16:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:16:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 12 11:16:01 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YW09l-0005ml-Pr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 11:15:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59012 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YW09l-00083j-0O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 06:15:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34876) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YW09g-00083G-An for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 06:15:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YW09f-0002QF-AI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 06:15:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::22b]:41784) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YW09f-0002Q9-2F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 06:15:51 -0400 Original-Received: by lbvp9 with SMTP id p9so14775001lbv.8 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 03:15:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3aXQ/dXdyqRcrr/vZR9KrQ3LpSUrNrE4Ikx0Qovm/iM=; b=SfP55H0IClHCzKubjkQwv1qC7Bd5ZQNSSvYBGe8H4LwxyeZD9wr3M6x4lRPi7UOrHq iAQ9d17O5d3Sx4Eb8suVocczzNkI0e5ObJrIXuitsU/fubsp1GP+1CaEiF9Yb9vfyfm3 SGb0RVAipZoZbzmsWVE6+SkdkDaywHnxkgUNnIKQ5J9CELHRYoXoi8OJi8pbuws0c2VX KodbkwtJxr8CxRr6w4R60n5Rxm6wYPWVi6p8eWG8oykYeMUrlmrmvnPEWa6z0u/zsJPb rDCFQ0wqU+QyNxKdY9ZXx5DmyeOs1TRCGTU0wEvjJAXvEfmDcY1zW+oinwD/pPQW8Y/9 6XvA== X-Received: by 10.152.5.6 with SMTP id o6mr39006160lao.59.1426155350255; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 03:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.112.207.225 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 03:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.112.207.225 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 03:15:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87twxq6dgj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ZJ4ArieMMtGWc_eVzujf0Rur-xg X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c04::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:183806 Archived-At: --089e01419d1a0bf0ba051114abae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mar 12, 2015 4:34 AM, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > > Artur Malabarba writes: > > > > Has this slick cl-* paint job perhaps gotten out of hand? > > > > Well, it's not exactly getting worse. It's the same it's always > > been, isn't it? > > No, it is in no way the same as it has always been. Originally cl.el > and cl-macs.el simply added the Common Lisp functionality (often > incomplete, sometimes arguably buggy) to the top-level pseudo- > namespace. RMS always vetoed adding these facilities to the core > language, and cl-lib has been around for a few years, I guess, but > this business of moving everything out of the core pseudo-namespace > and in to the "cl-" pseudo-namespace is only a year or so old. Yes, I was referring to cl-lib, not cl. I don't think it's gotten any worse since its inception (though I'm not claiming to know all the history). --089e01419d1a0bf0ba051114abae Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mar 12, 2015 4:34 AM, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote:
>
> Artur Malabarba writes:
>
> =C2=A0> > Has this slick cl-* paint job perhaps gotten out of ha= nd?
> =C2=A0>
> =C2=A0> Well, it's not exactly getting worse. It's the same= it's always
> =C2=A0> been, isn't it?
>
> No, it is in no way the same as it has always been.=C2=A0 Originally c= l.el
> and cl-macs.el simply added the Common Lisp functionality (often
> incomplete, sometimes arguably buggy) to the top-level pseudo-
> namespace.=C2=A0 RMS always vetoed adding these facilities to the core=
> language, and cl-lib has been around for a few years, I guess, but
> this business of moving everything out of the core pseudo-namespace > and in to the "cl-" pseudo-namespace is only a year or so ol= d.

Yes, I was referring to cl-lib, not cl. I don't think it= 's gotten any worse since its inception (though I'm not claiming to= know all the history).

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