From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xue Fuqiao Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:55:53 +0800 Message-ID: References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> <838uyojapx.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380027369 24954 80.91.229.3 (24 Sep 2013 12:56:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pjb@informatimago.com, emacs-devel , Dmitry Gutov To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 24 14:56:13 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VOS9s-0008BF-HD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:56:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45765 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOS9s-0004Sa-73 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:56:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42176) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOS9o-0004SS-G7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:56:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOS9k-0008A8-55 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:56:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x236.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::236]:54870) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOS9i-00089s-HS; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:55:54 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id aq17so9008243iec.13 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:55:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=W2rWNb8tPFRsUhf+y+OzwXBmteFrkNAo8AIHDXPkBuU=; b=gg6sbeSx0/4xKzvS0PsBAnhZwT9Wl2xCDhJ84Ju395bIM2hpBwIuUrOWTNAsRW7Y55 9I9FQfagkAbfrmje7tq6rRB1KMqD4sxjIgRQt08xz9yXG7VC0mYag+ptjjfaSsTMpN9I ENtXzzyFH+2wVmVDOqexFbHG5XvQiYOILeFbo21h7Lrq7ZZCypV0HXFWr4YBMXfBg5+w Ux+dsLjV7A7E/vAs/PZnVzw5hNbIVnc5xo1ZY64FwTuNtcBjva+K+nQX0TiAPcy1T1mr AGGAe59kks1dYD5V84+gNPBJzPJrU+rrur+6ygkaXOw42k2Iuxq4arbjAr4WdHifBXv7 O5Iw== X-Received: by 10.43.138.8 with SMTP id iq8mr10075532icc.37.1380027353434; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.42.133.72 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:55:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <838uyojapx.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163600 Archived-At: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Clearly, cursor motion is not part of this issue. The only group of > bindings for which I'm willing to accept such claims are the CUA > copy/paste bindings and perhaps Undo/Redo, C-o for "Open" and C-s for > "Save". Because everything else is anyway specific to the > application. And C-n for "Open New file", C-S-s for "Save As", C-p for "Print", C-a for "Select All", C-f for "Find", I think. -- Best regards, Xue Fuqiao. http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/