From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xue Fuqiao Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:10:13 +0800 Message-ID: References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> <523FD9B2.9030304@online.de> <834n9cj9s3.fsf@gnu.org> <523FEE11.3050703@online.de> <87txhb3a8n.fsf@informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380028215 2942 80.91.229.3 (24 Sep 2013 13:10:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 24 15:10:20 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VOSNf-0001e0-Qh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:10:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45905 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOSNf-0008I0-Bw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 09:10:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46188) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOSNc-0008Hr-M4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 09:10:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOSNa-0004c3-Rx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 09:10:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22f]:54569) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOSNa-0004bn-MK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 09:10:14 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id e14so9044295iej.34 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 06:10:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TUrHI/wik0Za4SOnEPHmeeMi8O08WqxZ2CAyBoU/AYw=; b=ft82v5uStvCHiLK31BfEuPhz/4rgXw4bCrscWelOKlZ4LiVa1jyz5LW5engD1ablGU +izqfTRsjlVWmDDFbBGz/eJ5B6IjP14hFASYRYf/RxV9qCktirwjn2HNOnRHRQuNXe4K zkdUYDpkpztj1jyskAPLep6nxzjbjG9r90p9B/UahhjzpSBud3iw0dF6yAAuu62rCXx/ 7qS3XIlnbAmZq2IMlhpWEqK/WprT4I/9NjbZYXYpIpIwiqekA+EVtR6AYQkL8HxzJw0R 3LLnWUgbMAggON3OfiaYVa3sMVmmlW6zm2yOVs6AsH9SoyPL8JjlwlcyaeVgXacf095L Alag== X-Received: by 10.43.104.73 with SMTP id dl9mr9886008icc.39.1380028213969; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 06:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.42.133.72 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 06:10:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87txhb3a8n.fsf@informatimago.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163601 Archived-At: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote: > What I mean is that perhaps concentrating on keys is the wrong thing to > do, vs. concentrating on bindings and the fact that you can configure > them as you want, and that the default bindings (foremost the oldest of > them) are quite _optimized_. But they are hard to press. In the Space-cadet keyboard[fn:1], one of the early Lisp Machine keyboards, Ctrl key besides the space bar (similar to the position of Alt keys on PC keyboards), and Meta to the left of Ctrl. So, the Ctrl key is easier to press than Meta. This is why, the key bindings for the most used commands in Emacs involve the Ctrl key instead of the Meta key, I think. But Ctrl is not easy to press now. Yes, we can move the Ctrl key[fn:2], but many new users don't know that. And some commands that are frequently used, such as {open, save, close buffer}, all require multiple keystrokes with the difficult Ctrl key. Footnotes: [fn:1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Space-cadet.jpg [fn:2] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/MovingTheCtrlKey -- Best regards, Xue Fuqiao. http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/