From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: xfq Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r112347: * doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather than special forms. (Bug#13853) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:00:06 +0800 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1366549210 32628 80.91.229.3 (21 Apr 2013 13:00:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 13:00:10 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 21 15:00:14 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UTtsL-0002XD-8v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 15:00:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56145 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTtsK-0001iS-UJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:00:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57564) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTtsG-0001hb-PK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:00:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTtsF-0000kJ-Ox for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:00:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ia0-x234.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c02::234]:58244) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTtsF-0000ip-J9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:00:07 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ia0-f180.google.com with SMTP id t29so1435871iag.25 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 06:00:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ii668t+6hKoZwktHFN9MxLyJmamzfhyhgBCJX+5ibLU=; b=f8hNP3dMbq/AqXTgWztx2BtgMAAwGk9IF+vETJzyeJlikuaEapOV3YlYlFW4LtjJYC F2/g5WUVmGbey3lKD0wA4q7BPubybc9TjjRyei+CXCOUdTqE9IB1RRIPoVd2Y9GR/9WO +J+EmdRsxxceUtCa5rUUEPbEKfAK5yG5da24tBKUjxabB8Mptj/zQWzghSmontHGkX6K wN1jdJcD4nfkZFBJ5+56iRP8Werhs37TKSwCqHT42TBpH8MUGXEBPOLguPqj602LoIXP INqJwVt8jHMtrTpa3h+5dZoYYEJJpA0oqMBBbY32MpMvwFuri/4ic0BaDh0BYtYQKg14 DDmA== X-Received: by 10.43.119.10 with SMTP id fs10mr6170569icc.56.1366549206325; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 06:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.43.18.10 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Apr 2013 06:00:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c02::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:159076 Archived-At: On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Leo Liu wrote: > On 2013-04-21 20:01 +0800, Xue Fuqiao wrote: >> * doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (defcustom, defun, >> simplified-beginning-of-buffer, defvar, Building Robots, Review, >> save-excursion): `defun' and `defcustom' are now macros rather than >> special forms. (Bug#13853) > > "special form" is a better term than "macro". It signals the reader that > the form has special evaluation rule. How the special form is > implemented is details readers need not care about. Please don't change > a clearly written text to worse. Thanks for your attention. A "special form" is a primitive function, and a "macro" is a construct defined in Lisp. Both of them are mentioned in this manual (or tutorial): (info "(eintr) Lisp macro") (info "(eintr) Complications") I think cross reference(s) to the `Lisp macro' node is a better than revert this change. -- Best regards, Xue Fuqiao. http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/